One year into Mueller probe. TRANSCRIPT: 05/17/2018. All In with Chris Hayes - most expensive restaurant dishes in the world

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Chris Hayes, MSNBC host: all in tonight.
US President Donald Trump: This Russian affair between Trump and Russia is fictional.
Hayes: Mueller has been investigating for a year and now everyone agrees that it is bigger than the water gate incident.
Fox News Channel host Sean hanniti: much bigger than the water gate incident.
Hayes: The Trump team has played another twisted defense since the second year.
Rudy Giuliani, Donald Trump's lawyer: they will use it if they collude with Russians.
Hayes: Tonight, collusion, obstruction, and why this investigation will only get bigger and bigger.
Michael Cohen, Donald Trump's lawyer: I will do everything I can to protect Mr. TrumpTrump.
Hayes: the continuing impact of the New Yorker's coverage of Michael Cohen's bribery fund.
Trump: these people are not people.
These are animals.
Hayes: The president's full background and huge questions about the language of immigration.
Trump: I call them animals. guess what, I always do.
Hayes: Have you ever thought about how it feels to meet Donald Trump?
Bill Gates, founder of Microsoft: When I walked in, his first sentence surprised me a little.
Trump has heard that you don't like what Trump is doing, he said.
I think wow, you're Trump.
Hayes: Bill Gates described tonight his exclusive video of two meetings with Donald Trump.
Gates: twice he wondered if there was a difference between HIV and HPV.
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Hayes: Good evening. This is Chris Hayes.
Today, a year after Mueller's investigation, Donald Trump is raising money for his worst presidential criminal investigation since the water gate incident. Trump e-
Send this message to supporters today.
"On the greatest anniversary of political persecution in American history, I ask you to renew your continued membership in 2018 to show witch hunters that none of the Patriots gave up our fight.
"Now, it turns out that some people who have been burned on the stake may disagree with you.
But witch hunter.
Now, keep in mind that the so-called political persecution has lured the president's campaign chairman and his former national security adviser, etc, while his lawyer/repairman has seen his office raided, there seems to be a serious prosecution.
Former Trump campaign president Paul Manafort is currently wearing two ankle bracelets for his two upcoming trials, just a few hours ago tonight, we learned about the former son of Manafortin-
The law has pleaded guilty and will cooperate with the government.
More about this.
Chuck Schumer pointed out an obvious issue in the Senate this morning. (
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Senate MINORITY party leader: it's not a political persecution when 17 Russians are prosecuted.
When some of the most senior members of the Trump campaign were sued, it was not a political persecution.
We should all be shocked by this.
Miller was appointed for the first anniversary of the president's and his allies defamation campaign. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: The Trump team says Mueller's year is enough.
Rudy Guiliani told Politico, "Come on, they 've been around for a year.
We need to put more pressure on this to pass.
It has been going on long enough.
The investigation into the water gate incident lasted more than two years.
A year later, Richard Nixon became restless. (
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Former US president Richard Nixon: I believe it's time to close the investigation and other investigations into the matter.
The water gate incident is enough for a year. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: Trump himself is a huge fan of the water gate incident.
Who can forget that when he claims without base that President Obama will eavesdrop on his phone, adding that it was the Nixon water gate incident, the bad guy or the patient.
Trump T this morning. V.
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If this is true, Trump said, it is "bigger than the water gate incident.
Meanwhile, Giuliani made another argument that Trump could not collude because he and his campaign team had never used Russian dirt. (
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Giuliani: they never used it.
They never used it.
They refused.
If they collude with the Russians, they will use it. (END VIDEO CLIP)
What did they refuse now?
This is very incorrect.
Of course, the Russians were the ones who invaded the DNC email. mails.
According to Ken Gude of the Center for American Progress, WikiLeaks abandoned Podesta e-
Less than an hour after visiting Hollywood tapes, Trump placed them more than 150 times in the last 30 days of the campaign.
Now with me is House Justice Committee member Jerry Nadler, New York Democrat.
First of all, Congressman, what do you think is the idea that a year is enough, and it's too long? REP. JERRY NADLER (D-NY)
Senior Member of the House Judiciary Committee: Well, a year in history is not enough.
As you pointed out, the prosecution of the water gate incident lasted two years.
The Benghazi investigation, which did not have any results, lasted for three years, and the fact is, we know that, so far, Mueller's investigation has provided evidence, but we know that they have received 19 to 20 indictments and that they have received a whole bunch of pleadings and that they are moving on.
That, by the way, cannot be covered up, at least until the president is interviewed by Miller, the part that hinders justice cannot be covered up.
If he wants to end the matter, he will be interviewed and will not let them drag him to the summons, which will take months or even months and he will inevitably testify in the end.
Hayes: The president's attorney, Rudy Giuliani, who we just learned, is working for free, arguing that because of the Justice Department's guidance that the president cannot be prosecuted, so he can't even be called and he can't be forced to testify, do you agree?
Nadler: this is nonsense.
The Court and the judge can obtain the evidence of each person.
Whether the president can be prosecuted in this way is controversial.
There was an opinion from the Office of the legal counsel that he could not go, and the opinion from the Ken Starr office and the Leon javaski office said he could go.
I personally think that he may be saying that he cannot be prosecuted is saying that he is above the law and that it is incredible that the constitutional makers have established another king that they have resisted.
But he will certainly be summoned because President Clinton was summoned in the Paula Jones case, and Nixon was also summoned in his case.
Hayes: We summoned these tapes specifically to illustrate this.
Nadler: there is no difference between summoning documents and testimony.
Hayes: Another argument I 've heard from Rudy Giuliani is that Miller is basically in the middle of a shadow impeachment campaign because Democrats don't have a house and that's-that's all about, they don't have a house, so this is-Miller basically wants to do things that democratic politics can't do.
That's ridiculous.
Again, no information was leaked from this investigation.
We only know the person who was indicted, we know the person who pleaded guilty, we know the court file.
Apart from the fact that the investigation appears to be very thorough and prompt, they did not indicate any information about the investigation.
The fact is that three things must happen.
The president will testify sooner or later.
I think the special prosecutor must write a report.
We must make sure that this report is submitted to the public so that we know what is going on.
Based on the evidence provided in the report, then Congress will have to decide whether to take any action or not.
But the point is-all of this has to be made public, we have to insist on publishing this report before the election, and our Republican colleagues are with us to make sure it is made public.
If they do not, it will be an election issue.
Hayes: I just heard something there that I haven't heard before.
Hold ahead of the election.
Nadler: No, I didn't say that.
No, that's not what I said.
I said that if the report published before the election is to be made public.
Oh, I see.
So, if the report is done, what you're saying is that after it's done and submitted to Congress, it's more or less open immediately, especially if there's a question about whether it's open before and after the election.
NADLER: Well, whether it is-before or after the election, it should be made public as long as it is reported.
I'm just saying that if it's before the election, I want our Republican colleagues to stick with us to make it public on this point.
Hayes: OK, Congressman Jerry Nadler, thank you for being with me.
Nadler: You're welcome.
Hayes: Mueller's investigation is only one year old, but the FBI's investigation of Trump dates back to the summer of 2016, at the heart of the campaign season.
The New York Times report is fascinating, revealing the origins of the investigation codenamed cross-fire hurricane.
To what extent the FBI remains silent, on the one hand, agents think they refuse to interview Trump's main colleagues, which may speed up the investigation, but it is possible to reveal the existence of the case.
We should note that the FBI certainly revealed its investigation to Hillary Clinton and talked a lot with her at the time
Director James Comey even announced a retrial shortly before the election.
Many believe the move cost Clinton in the election.
For more information on the investigation, Matt Miller, MSNBC justice analyst, joined me in MSNBC national security contributor and ace New York Times reporter Michael Schmidt.
You 've covered a lot, and I want to start with what the president said this morning, because that's partly based on the New York Times report, right?
Andrew McCarthy quoted Fox and friends as saying that the president said this morning, wow, there seems to be something about the Obama FBI and an embedded informant monitoring the Trump campaign.
There is no doubt that they have at least one secret informant in the campaign.
If so, it's bigger than the water gate incident.
"How do you describe what your report found?
Michael Schmidt, national security contributor to MSNBC: Yes, that's not what we found in the report.
My colleague is talking about a story about how the FBI went out of its way to investigate Trump's relationship with Russia at the beginning of the Russian investigation to keep secrets.
Some people in the Justice Department are often told not.
As you have just pointed out, they are hesitant to take some investigative measures and think that when they don't know, the public will cast a shadow on the matter.
I don't think people understand how early they are in the survey, how much they know, and they know they won't be able to solve the problem until election day.
They know that counter-intelligence investigations, especially complex ones like this, can take years to figure out.
They try to get to the bottom, but know-but try to do so in a way that doesn't affect the political process.
Hayes: in some ways, what the article conveys, and the cautious attitude they have taken there, I think is appropriate and admirable, because it is for the reasons that they are worried
You don't want the FBI investigation to cast a shadow on one person in a way that changes the election.
Matt Miller, MSNBC justice analyst: Yes, that's exactly-Hayes: But-Miller: But, I know.
I don't like picking thorns except you-but you brought it up.
This is exactly how you respond to this sensitivity survey.
When you compare it to the Clinton case, everyone is talking about you know, if Comey has Clinton, if they have Anthony Weiner laptops, if you know, they have to look at it, and then he has to go and inform Congress.
What's more important here is that they don't have to look at that laptop before the election.
They could have made the same decision as the Trump investigation because there is no reason to delay any open investigation steps.
The only reason you need is that the evidence will be destroyed and the witness will flee-will flee, all of which are not threatened.
Hayes: That's a good point, right?
You can do that-you can make this cautious decision.
You can say that it is important that we do not tarnish the US election because of our activities, so we will make a difference.
The key details, however, are the idea of an informant-a government informant who spoke to George papasopoulos and Carter Page during the campaign.
Schmidt: Yes, the things we have on Papadopoulos and page don't match that.
Hayes: I want to make it clear. that's right.
Schmidt: No-Hayes: I want to figure out what-Schmidt: You see, there are a lot of different things that have surfaced about this investigation-the FBI has made some mistakes, and was criticized by text messages between the case's main agent and FBI lawyers.
This is an exposed error-exposing the bureau to allegations of bias in the process and causing harm to them.
Other allegations about what the FBI did and why they started investigating turned out to be untrue.
So there's a lot of different things floating there because it's a political issue at this point.
It was a massive investigation, but it ended up involving the president and politics.
Hayes: I want to talk about this sentence about the government informant, because this is what the president is doing, what Trump is doing. V.
I already talked about it.
At least one government informant has met with him many times. Page and Mr.
The current informant, papasopoulos, said.
This has become the point of political controversy for Obama.
Trump's allies question whether the FBI is spying on the Trump campaign or trying to deceive campaign officials.
What do you think?
Miller: It's one of the weird things, you know.
Every once in a while, the president's own Trump campaign team comes up with an argument that he thinks will help him, the fact that they think will help him, they are actually very harmful.
You know, if it is true that the Obama administration bugged my phone at Trump Tower, it would be a very disruptive fact, because that means Judge FISA approved the search warrant-or approved the hacking of his phone with solid evidence
This is another example.
If there is an informant on the campaign team who is talking to the FBI, it is because that informant probably saw evidence of the crime and wanted to report it to law enforcement.
You know, they're trying to turn this around right now, saying it's some sort of espionage, but it's a disruptive fact.
The last thing he said about the Obama FBI.
There is no such thing as the Obama FBI, just like there is no such thing as the Trump FBI.
You know, this week, you know, this is police week in Washington, this is a week of respect for law enforcement, and the attorney general said on Monday and Tuesday for two consecutive days that this is the Trump era, this is an era in which we support law enforcement.
You see the president again attacking law enforcement and trying to destroy them.
Hayes: this kind of attack on the FBI is now being escalated and it seems to me that this attack will only escalate.
'We will be under pressure, 'said Rudy Giuliani.
There seems to be a comprehensive plan to try to withstand the pressure.
Schmidt: sometimes it's hard for me to understand what Giuliani is doing.
He threw a lot of different things.
You're not alone, Michael.
Schmidt: I'm paid to do it. I'm working on it.
He throws a lot of different things on the wall, from Stormy Daniels to things under investigation, it's hard to figure out if he's trying to confuse people, he's trying to put some Stormy Daniels out there, these Daniels took something from the disclosure a few days ago.
Hayes: That's right.
This is a good point of view. Yes.
SCHMIT: You know, so they're thinking forward in a way that might not have been there before.
But that's not-the president wants supporters, you know.
He wants people to go through the cable and his line, and I think Giuliani has done that this time.
Hayes: I leave you the wisdom of Rudy Giuliani.
Giuliani said he told Business Insider Alan Smith that he would be surprised if Trump knew about 2016 Trump Tower meeting in juannis, but if the president knew, if he could remember, I will be surprised. Smart.
Thank you Michael Schmidt for being with me.
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Former son of Paul Manafortin-
The law reached an agreement with federal investigators, which means Miller's investigation was completed within two minutes. (
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Hayes: Paul Manafort, Donald Trump's former campaign manager, has worn two ankles in the face of two different Miller indictments
Now, his former sonin-
Legal and business partners have just reached a plea deal with the Justice Department.
Reuters broke the news tonight that Jeffrey Yohai pleaded guilty in Los Angeles for federal investigations into its property transactions.
The plea deal required him to cooperate with what two other people familiar with the matter said was a criminal investigation.
Yohai has not yet been specifically informed about how he will be asked to cooperate as part of the plea agreement, but two people familiar with the matter said they thought he might be asked to assist Miller in the prosecution of Manafort
Here, to help link this new development to all the other legal dilemmas of the Trump world, Benjamin Witte, legal analyst at MSNBC, along with me, editorin-
Head of labor and Andrea Bernstein
Host of Trump companypodcast.
Andrea, I'll start with you.
Yohai, the former son-in-law, is also a business partner of Paul Manafort, right?
Andrea Bernstein
Host, Trump company: Well, we know they're involved in financial deals related to the brownstone townhouse in Paul Manafort, Brooklyn.
The townhouse is at the center of the indictment.
Bob Miller's charge is money. he's sick.
Proceeds from money laundering in Ukraine through this House in Brooklyn are one of the money laundering charges in the indictment.
So there are court documents, and there are loan documents on file in New York that show the performance of the two in some sort of financial relationship.
Not a lot of detail, but obviously it's very close to what Bob Miller is looking.
Hayes: Ben, I think of Judge Ellis in eastern Virginia, who brought difficulties to the government at the hearing at Paul Manafort, and he said you see, you just want Paul Manafort to roll on the president. you want to crush this guy.
Some people think he's suing his former son. in-
Knowing the laws of his business practices may put some real pressure on Paul Manafort.
Benjamin Witte, legal analyst at MSNBC: Look, the indictment-we don't know the outline of the plea deal.
We do not know the nature of the cooperation they seek from him.
In fact, according to Reuters, he doesn't know yet, right, or at least the person who talked to him about it doesn't.
So, you see, can there be a form of cooperation, a form of cooperation designed to put pressure on Manafort?
Yes, that's probably the case.
It may also be a person with independence or quasi-independence.
Independent legal issues
You know, it's not a family, it marks Is legally and crosses all Ts.
So, you know, you put a group of people under this kind of review and all sorts of things come up.
So I think it's worth waiting and looking at the relationship between this and the Manafort case.
Hayes: One more thing to note about this is that Mueller did send a group of prosecutors to interview Yohai on last June asking him about Manafort's relationship with Trump, borrowed dozens of pounds from New York and some properties.
In Ben's view, we still know if this indictment will eventually be involved.
I would like to ask a question, this is a shocking story about a story that happened yesterday, about a whistleblower who leaked a Suspicious Activity Report, this is all about Michael Cohen's acquisition from various entities and-what prompted him to do so because he said there was a lack of suspicious activity reports in the database, he was worried that the reports had been dirty.
FinCEN issued a statement today saying that FinCEN will make a visit to certain suspicious activity reports at the time limit required by law enforcement authorities in connection with ongoing investigations.
What do you think?
WITTES: well, so I'm in a lot of context, first of all, I don't believe that the material is lost in this database, or that the SAR is gone or something like that.
I do think this is an area of strong interest, so the possibility of a SARs leak is non-tribal and has actually happened.
My guess is that someone might say, hey, maybe for this reason, we should limit access to this.
I don't know what the reason is, but I'm very skeptical about the idea that anything is missing here. HAYES: Yes.
Bernstein: Well, I mean, I think it's an interesting mirror of your most important story about President Trump accusing the FBI of pursuing him and manipulating law enforcement.
The suspicious activity report we know was leaked by a federal official who thought it was happening under the Trump administration.
Yes, in another direction, yes.
Bernstein: in another direction.
Now, there is a variety of explanations, one is that the prosecutor removed it from the field of view for any investigation reason.
The official thought there might be some kind of prank.
We don't know either.
Yes, Hayes is interesting that the part you see-part of it is this paranoia, part of it because the times we live in and to some extent everything is bound.
There is also the fact that Ben, the actual content there I think is interesting in the Ronan Farrow report for The New Yorker, there are two other suspicious activity reports that seem to have a larger pool of money flowing through Michael Cohen's key advisers. WITTES: Right.
So you know, if you take both the Fenson report and the story of The New Yorker as true, that is, they blocked the other two reports, but did not stop the reports leaked last week, right?
This suggests that, from the perspective of the survey, there is a need to protect these other people, which is much stronger than the need to protect those who are not protected.
This shows that there are some very sensitive materials inside.
Bernstein: we already know that the Russian oligopolistic joint investment fund paid to Michael Cohen, which is an explosive news in itself, you have to worry-want to know what's in other reports that someone wants to keep confidential.
Hayes: We should also say that a lot of damage has been cut behind this.
As it relates to Michael Cohen's contract, one lost his job at AT&T and Novartis fired its general counsel, so more information has some sort of chain around the world as well
Bernstein: Well, they obviously wanted to grab the front and they probably did a good job because what they wanted to say was that we were cheated and we made a mistake
Benjamin Witters and Andrea Bernstein, thank you both.
Bernstein: Thank you.
Bw: Thank you.
Hayes: Next, the president will not shrink from his animal review yesterday.
Listen to what he has to say.
Also, in Bill Gates's exclusive shot of talking about avoiding the president, strange questions about vaccines and Trump-style stunts have emerged. (
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Gates: He went up and talked to Jane. The attitude was super good.
About 20 minutes later, he flew to the same place by helicopter.
He was apparently driven away, but he wanted to make a grand entrance on the helicopter. (END VIDEO CLIP)(
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Trump: I mean, you know, I mean MS-
13 gangs coming in.
These are animals.
They want to enter our country.
We need to get them out.
They're in again. we're going to get them out.
We need strong immigration laws.
We have the weakest laws in the world.
We have the law of ridicule on immigration. So when the MS-
I call other gang members animals when they enter our country, guess what, I always do. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: The president tried today to clarify the immigration Animal Review he made a day ago and he thought he was referring only to the immigration Lady
Not all immigrants are human beings.
But if you follow the advice of the Republican Party and take a minute to watch the full content of Trump's comments yesterday, you should do so, you may find that the president really likes to confuse all immigration issues and immigration with violent crime.
This is what he has been doing throughout his political career. (
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Margaret Mimes, county sheriff in Fresno, California: there might be a lady
13 gang members I know.
I can't tell ICE if they don't reach a certain threshold.
Trump: We have a lot of people coming into this country or trying to get in and we are blocking them.
But we're going to take people out of this country.
You won't believe how bad these people are.
These are not people.
These are animals.
We are taking them out of the country at an unprecedented level and speed.
Because of the weak law, they will come in soon.
We get them, we release them, we get them again, we bring them out. It`s crazy. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: to talk more about the president's dehumanizing remarks, I'm talking to Republican strategist Matt mccurac and NPR's host and executive producer of American Latino, Maria Sino.
Maria, you're shaking your head in that clip. Your thoughts?
Npr maria hinojosa: So, Chris, you see, I'm going to stay calm, right, because we're on national television.
But seriously, as a person who is not born in this country, I refuse to let this president define immigration as a bad immigrant because at this point, the stone test is just that people who are not born in this country are animals.
So I'll stay calm but seriously, our hair should be on fire because I'm in Rwanda so I talked to reporters and they talked to me about what happened there, and how the Tutsi were
So the terms people use do have a connection.
I mean, there is such a clear connection between what the president said.
Then read the fact that when children try to come to this country for asylum, they will now be separated from their mother.
So, first of all, there are no gang members who come in groups to take refuge here, okay, these are women and children.
Second, madam. 13, dear Mr.
Trump is an American gang.
Do you know about American gangs?
Like we did?
Have you seen this movie, you know, the gang of New York? MS-
This is an American gang.
So, we don't have an immigration issue about MS.
We have a criminal problem that has nothing to do with immigration.
Sadly, Chris, we have to take the time to discuss this and try to break what the president created.
The beauty is that people control this narrative.
You know, now when you see something, say something, when people see people being disrespectful because they are immigrants, or treated as animals, or speaking in Spanish, when you have to say something, when you see something.
When you see someone being treated like an animal, you say something because that's what the president calls us.
Shanghai: Matt, you know why the president's remarks don't give him a lot of evidence under the circumstances when he talks about MS-13 and such?
Republican strategist matt mackowiak: Yes, so I remembered the literal understanding of Trump in the mainstream media throughout the campaign, but not seriously, the attitude of Trump's supporters towards him
I accept that his vocabulary is not the broadest and broadest vocabulary of the former president.
So he often likes to use specific phrases.
This is a very comfortable phrase for him.
On the issue of race, sometimes what he says is bound to create problems and disputes, which some consider racist.
I totally understand.
In this case, I don't think for the sake of MS-
This is a scourge that causes real problems in this country. 10,000 MS-
There are 13 members in this country.
They are known for the machete attack.
They are known for the motto "rape, control, killing.
"Oh, what, please?
You deny 10,000?
Really?
We're talking about immigration, and now all of a sudden what we're talking about is that you're talking about some gang members who do horrible acts, but you're talking about this in the context of immigration?
This is exactly what you want to do.
Unfortunately journalists like me have to face it now and say you can't put the two together.
When we say MS-
13 is a gang born in Los Angeles.
I don't allow you to say this is some sort of immigration import gang. It`s not true.
Marco Vista: Maria, Madam
Prey for immigrants? Yes or no.
Of course.
Let me tell you one thing, but what I'm saying is that it's not an immigration issue, it's a criminal issue that has nothing to do with one thing or another.
You and the president want to combine the two.
As someone who is not born in this country and reports on immigration, I will reject you-will reject anyone who is trying to achieve this because it is not true.
MACKOWIAK: please understand that in this case he responded to what a sheriff in Fresno County said, which is an important point.
I'm sorry, Chris. go ahead.
Hayes: No, no, no, finish it because I want to follow up.
Yes, I just want to say, you see, I recognize again that he is not always using a specific language on the issue of immigration and is very careful.
That's part of why I think he's seen as such a bold speaker, able to get the attention of the media and his supporters.
So, I admit that. I do.
I also admit that I would also put on the table the fact that he opened up a path to citizenship for DACA children, which goes further than any other elected Republican.
So, I think if you want to talk about immigration, we can talk about this in a broader sense.
In this case, I think it's about MS-13.
Hayes: What I'm trying to say is-I think the position is dishonest, so let's put it aside.
This is an interesting case.
So, there's an idea of a criminal conviction, right.
They are all gang members, gang members.
The specific problem with the sheriff is that she's upset and she can't unilaterally think someone is MS-13, right.
She said, "I know," quote, "they're MS-13.
But many things people know are not true.
It was a federal judge, a judge appointed by Bush, who broke the deadlock in court as they tried to expel a DACA child who said he was a gang member and not a gang member
Read here, "the most disturbing thing about the court is to continue to assert
Ramis is a member of the gang, although he did not provide specific evidence.
Ramires filed a complaint with the immigration court on his administrative proceedings, and four months later he did not provide any evidence to the court in support of his claim.
Matt, that's exactly what I'm concerned about.
When you say the sheriff is saying-what the sheriff is saying is that I am frustrated with the process and ask me to think someone is a due process for gang members.
MACKOWIAK: Well, I think the question I'll ask is, is there no due process before Trump takes office?
I think that's the problem.
Hayes: not a lot in immigration court.
Hayes: I don't know how much time you spent in the immigration court, but not much.
Of course.
I worked in the Department of Homeland Security from 2003 to 2004.
What I want to say is that there is no doubt that you can give an example here or there that makes the government look back, which makes the due process look bad and I have no doubt about that.
I think you have to recognize this criminal gang, too.
13, especially in New York and Virginia, throughout the Northeast, and yes, it is a very serious threat in Los Angeles.
They operate in 40 states.
There are 10,000 members all over the country.
I'm not sitting here saying that every member of them is an illegal alien.
I don't know the numbers.
I don't know the numbers . . . . . . HINOJOSA: Did you just say illegal aliens? Did you just say illegal aliens on national television?
I said they were not, Maria.
I said they were not.
Are you serious? I`m sorry.
So you just tag immigrants, aliens, and say that humans are illegal?
I remind you that illegal immigration is not a noun.
We are not illegal, nor are we nouns.
Chris, do you know what you're talking about? You say Trump likes to use a comfortable language for him, a comfortable language.
That's what Matt said.
HINOJOSA: Well, it's a comfortable question for the president.
Unfortunately, as a journalist, we have to recognize that the president is also comfortable with lying on multiple occasions, which permeates his government department.
So ice is lying.
This is not the first time ICE lied.
The American Latino broke the story of Estrella, a undocumented cross-immigrant who was taken from court and ICE said they were not there.
The tape proved they were lying.
Hayes: I want to give the last data here, 143,000 people were arrested at ICE on 2017.
Among them, 796 MS-13.
Of course, that's less than 1%.
No matter what you think
13. many people who have been pulled out of this country have nothing to do with it.
Thanks so much to Matt MacKowiak and Maria Hinojosa.
Thank you.
Hayes: Next, the Republican congressman came up with a truly revolutionary idea of climate change in the first thing tonight, the second thing.
Also, all of these are exclusive videos you don't want to miss.
Hear one of the richest people on Earth talk frankly about the feeling of meeting with President Trump. (
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Microsoft founder Bill Gates: twice he wondered if there was a difference between HIV and HPV, so I was able to explain that these people are rarely confused with each other. (END VIDEO CLIP)(
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Hayes: The first thing tonight is that Alabama congressman Mo Brokes has gone through 2017 of the hard times.
He lost to Roy Moore in his home state Senate primary, and after spending nearly a million dollars in the game, he ranked third.
Congressman Brooks supported Moore in the general election, and when the allegations came up, Moore sexually assaulted underage girls and let's say Brooks didn't handle them very well. (
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Unidentified male: Do you believe what Roy Moore thinks about women? REP. MO BROOKS, (R)
I think the Democratic Party will do a lot of harm to our country.
So you still believe Roy Moore?
Brooks: I think Democrats will do great harm to our country on countless issues. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: Well, it's been a few months and it looks like Mo Brooks is back in his previous warm-up match.
In fact, today he published a hot text report about the heat.
It's the second one in 60 seconds. (
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Hayes: Alabama Republican Congressman Mo Brooks is a well-known climate change skeptic, but he took it to a whole new level at yesterday's Science, Space and Technology Committee hearing(
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Brooks: how about white cliff cans in Dover, California? There, the waves kept hitting the coastline and let the cliffs fall into the sea again and again.
All of this replaced the water that forced it to rise, didn't it? DR.
Philip Duffy, chairman of the Jackson Hole Research Center: I'm pretty sure these effects are small on the human time scale. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: Yes, that's America. S.
Members of Congress of the Scientific Committee have argued to a respected scientist that sea levels are rising as a result of large amounts of rock falling into the water.
But Mo Brooks is not finished yet. (
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Brooks: when global temperatures rise, would you be surprised to assume that global temperatures rise, which actually increases the amount of ice collected in Antarctica?
Duffy: that's not true, sir.
We have satellite records that clearly record the contraction of the Antarctic ice sheet and the acceleration of this contraction.
Brooks: Sorry.
But I don't know where you got the information from, but the scientific data I see.
Duffy: I have the national ice and snow Data Center, NASA.
BROOKS: Well, I have a NASA base in my area, and obviously they tell you one thing, one different thing. (END VIDEO CLIP)(
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Hayes: Have you ever thought about the people who have really met Donald Trump, especially the successful people who have power in American business and other fields, who will have to try to interact with him because he is the leader of the free world, such as those who are behind closed doors?
All of this gets some footage that has never been seen before, giving you a good idea of what Bill Gates, one of the richest people in the world, thinks about the president.
Bill Gates, who answered questions at a recent meeting with employees at the Gates Foundation, talked about a meeting with Donald Trump.
That's what he's going to say. (
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Gates: Yes, so I have never seen Donald Trump before he was elected.
I was in the same place as him during the election and I avoided him.
Then he was elected.
So I went to see him on December.
He knows my daughter Jennifer because Trump has a horse racing show in Florida.
In fact, he went up to chat with Jane and performed very well. after 20 minutes, he flew to the same place by helicopter.
He was apparently driven away, but he wanted to get into a gate by helicopter.
Anyway, so when I first spoke to him, how much he knew about my daughter's appearance was actually a bit scary.
But Linda doesn't like it very much.
All in all, I saw him at Trump Tower and I said that science and innovation is a great thing.
You should be a driving leader-that conversation was about a wide range of things about energy, health, education, you know, pick up some big things you want to do, you know, HIV vaccine can accelerate this process.
Related to innovation.
The second time I saw him was in the March 2017 White House parade after that.
In both meetings, he asked me if the vaccine was not a bad thing because he was considering setting up a committee to investigate the adverse effects of the vaccine.
A man named Robert Kennedy Jr.
He told him the vaccine caused bad things.
I said no, it's a dead end.
That would be a bad thing. Don`t do that.
Twice he wondered if there was a difference between HIV and HPV.
So I can explain that these people are rarely confused with each other. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: Oh, but wait, there's more to come, including how President Trump talks about himself. (
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Gates: When I walked in, his first sentence threw me a little.
He said, "Trump has heard that you don't like what Trump is doing.
Wow, I guess, but you're Trump.
So, I don't know-you know, I don't know if the third party forums are always expected.
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Hayes: that's Microsoft founder Bill Gates's meeting with President Trump at a recent meeting of the Gates Foundation to describe the video we got exclusively here.
Of course, we contacted the foundation for comments, but no response has been received.
Tara Doder, Democratic strategist, and the MSNBC contributor are now talking to me about it;
And Josh Barro, senior editor of Business Insider.
You want to know what these meetings are like, because obviously all of these people have to walk into the room with him, and I think a lot of people don't respect him and don't think highly of him, must pretend.
What do you think?
Tara Doder, a Democratic strategist: He said Gates knew you were wrong.
I mean, that's what we're going to see.
We're looking for a president who doesn't know the difference between HIV and HPV, but he remembers what Bill Gates's daughter looks like.
So if he spends more time on the actual learning policy, if he spends 25 of his time specifically harassing women, staring at women and looking at the actual policy, memory and learning policy, I think this country will have a better life.
This is what we have.
Hayes: that's where our energy is.
Dao del :. . . . . . We are more focused on women than we actually do policy briefings or practical work, remembering their appearance.
Business Insider reporter josh barro: Although, I think one of the things I 've learned from this is that it's a good thing in this case that he doesn't spend time on policy, because he asked Gates if I should have a committee on these vaccine conspiracy theories, something that came up in the news at the time.
Before Trump took office, a meeting was held at Trump Tower in January, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
He was a major supporter of vaccine conspiracy theory and spread nonsense about vaccines causing autism, and in any case, he met at Trump Tower and he came down and said to reporters, the president asked me to run a vaccine committee. what do people look like?
Why did he do that?
The transition team said at the time, well, no decision has yet been made.
February, 2017, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Come out and say, well, I 've been in a lot of meetings and I 've been exchanging documents with these people and it seems like it's not just Bill Gates, there's other people around the president saying to him, you know, no, don't do this, the White House is also very inert, a lot of things are not done, I think it is a good thing that things are not done.
Hayes: Well, I mean, but the problem is, he doesn't-I mean, as an unintelligent person, I want to distinguish between two things, I don't think he's true, and don't care about the details of anything.
The latter is so obvious in all his narratives.
Very obvious here.
It is clear from Bill Gates that he is clearly a person-no matter what you think of Bill Gates-who does care about the details of things. DOWDELL: Right.
I mean, that's exactly right.
I mean, he's a very arrogant person.
Donald Trump, though insecure, also has this arrogance.
So you're right, he doesn't care about the details, and on top of that, you add a fact that he thinks he knows more than someone like Bill Gates.
He is the first president in 50 years to nominate a scientific adviser. in the United States, there are many Republicans and Democrats in 50 years.
Hayes: I put a clip too.
Gates is a bit-it's interesting because you can also see what people like Gates think about the president.
He said he was a good salesman. Take a listen. (
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Gates: So at some point in the conversation, we talked about all these scientific possibilities, you know, he -- he actually wanted to be friendly in a conversation like this, you know, he is a good salesman.
He mainly sells real estate in history. (END VIDEO CLIP)
BARRO: I mean, you hear a lot of people coming out of his meetings and they say he's very charming.
Yes, yes.
He's a good salesman, you know.
Then, as far as he doesn't care about the details of things, he believes that he has a wonderful intuition about all kinds of things, writing in the art of trading, how he does real estate, you stand in the corner and you ask people if this is a good community and market research is rubbish.
You know, it helps him a lot at some point in his career.
In his 70 s and 80 s, he made a big bet in Manhattan.
People think this is crazy.
Barrow: When people think the city is going to hell, he says, no, it's going to be luxurious and wonderful again.
The bet is correct.
It doesn't work properly and it's good to say that the vaccine policy is going to go to my stomach like I did.
Hayes: Well, just like there's a way of self-managing here too-I mean, talking about the details of his daughter and how Melinda Gates was cheated, and lack of self-
I feel very charming.
Oh, obviously.
I mean, in fact, you're going to say in front of Bill Gates and Melinda Gates, first of all, even if you're that suspicious person, we know Trump is, in fact, you'll feel comfortable in front of the couple, Hayes: Let me tell you what your daughter looks like . . . . . . Doder: That's right. it's not random.
Barrow: The president said something that made him sound horrible all the time.
I mean, he was on national television talking about how he was dating his daughter.
Yes, he doesn't seem to realize that.
Tara Doder and Josh Barrow-or don't care-thank you so much.
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