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Program: MTP Daily date: guest of December 6, 2016: Michael o'hanlen, David Sanger, Susan Page, Cornell Belcher, Hampton Pearson, David FrenchJ.
MSNBC host Dionne, Ramesh PonnuruSTEVE KORNACKI: Thank you.
This will be done within this hour.
This is Steve Kornacki, and the MTP Daily is starting now.
Host chuck todd: Yes, it's Tuesday.
President Obama is trying to protect his national security legacy. (voice-over)
Tonight, President Obama touted his national security legacy. (
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US President Barack Obama: We can seize these terrorists and be true to ourselves. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Todd: and encourage the president.
Choose to follow his leadership.
In addition, the cultural war is chaotic.
Does marijuana voters in North Carolina and across the country mark the end of a cultural war, or is Trump's election a new start?
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This is the daily MTP, start now. (on camera)
Good evening. welcome to MTP.
I'm Chuck Todd in rainy Washington.
President Obama has just concluded his last major national security speech during his presidency.
The final argument on Obama's foreign policy theory, if you like.
In January, critics argued against curriculum reform.
He also provided a strong defense of what he called America's values in national security, and carried out less implicit attacks on some of the president's remarks.
Trump was elected president.
Hours before Donald Trump himself prepares to speak in North Carolina, retired General James Mattis will also speak next to his defense minister.
Of course, he spoke at the McDeere Air Force Base in Tampa, where Central Command is located.
President Obama cited some of his achievements in his eight years as commander-in-chief. (
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US President Barack Obama: Today, in any case, the core al-Qaida that hit us 911 people is its former shadow.
Plots in Afghanistan and Pakistan have been destroyed.
Its leadership has been weakened.
Dozens of terrorist leaders were killed.
Osama bin Laden is dead.
The bottom line is that we are breaking the line of defense for ISIL.
No foreign terrorist organization has successfully planned and carried out attacks on our motherland. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Todd: The U. S. government says the speech was planned months ago, not to respond to Trump's election.
But Obama seems to be trying to convince his successor to continue some of his policies. (
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President barack obama: a sustainable counter-terrorism strategy depends on looking at threats in the long run.
The threat of terror is real and dangerous.
But these terrorists want to be pioneers of a new world order. They are not.
They are thugs. They are murderers. they should be treated like this.
We need wisdom. in the long run, it is not a weakness to uphold our values and the rule of law.
This is our greatest strength.
At any time, we prohibit the use of torture anywhere, including tactics such as waterboarding.
The people who worked with me never told me that doing so would cost us good intelligence. (END VIDEO CLIP)
TODD: But perhaps the most striking thing is that President Obama defended American values at the end of his speech. (
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President barack obama: If We discredit patriotic Muslims, it will only fuel terrorism.
This will trigger the same false discontent they use to motivate people to kill.
If we do this is a war between the United States and Islam, we will not only lose more Americans in terrorist attacks, but we will also ignore the principles we claim to defend.
The United States is not a country that takes religious tests as a price for freedom. (END VIDEO CLIP)
TODD: You guys, Trump's principles are still old-fashioned.
His position on how to deal with ISIS and how to interact with our allies is often somewhat contradictory, changing according to the audience he spoke.
So, the question remains, can Trump be persuaded?
In the absence of the Secretary of State, should we consider that Trump's theory is more in line with his national security adviser, Mike Flynn, or after he was sworn in on January, will the seriousness of the office change him?
What about President Obama's legacy here, of course?
Is this a positive one? Will it be a positive one in another generation?
I want to bring my guests here.
Michael O'Hanlon, a research and senior foreign policy researcher at the Brookings Institution in Washington. C.
David Sanger, who reports national security for the New York Times.
"Look, I want to do it in two parts.
First, I want to start with Obama, then we start with Trump.
So let's talk about Obama's national security legacy, Michael.
What will it look like in 10 years?
Because there are many ways you can split it.
But I will give you a simple one.
In today's Middle East, is it more chaotic or less chaotic since Barack Obama took office? [17:05:03]
Michael O'Hanlon, senior foreign policy researcher at the Brookings Institution: there is no doubt that Chuck is more chaotic.
I don't think it's a charge against all of Obama's foreign policy.
In fact, I think his foreign policy looks better in the rest of the world.
Frankly, I think his performance in Russia and China is very good, although many people disagree with this assessment.
The Middle East has basically been bombed.
The Arab spring became the Arab winter or the Arab chaos.
We know there are several countries fighting. But Mr.
Obama is right, Al Qaeda is the shell of his former self, and ISIS is now tactically failing on the battlefield, even if it still has wider global immigration and presence.
So, there is a mixed bag in the Middle East.
I think his overall foreign policy is quite good.
I think its Middle East policy is more of a mediocre one.
Todd: David, it's interesting, Donald Trump, you can say that you have succeeded in competing with two of the opponents that President Obama sees as successful in foreign policy.
One is the center of Asia, TPP.
Of course, it turned into a family nightmare for him.
This has not helped Asia's economic turn.
And, of course, Syria.
And, you know, on the one hand, in an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg, he raised the level of football, and hey, I'm not sorry for not-not acting on the red line.
But, I tell you, if you look at Britain's exit from the EU and there are others who say you look at Trump's election, maybe he does feel sorry about the Syrian immigration crisis.
David, what do you think?
David Sanger, The New York Times chief correspondent in Washington: of course, the immigration crisis has ultimately undermined stability in Europe.
I think when the Obama administration first began to focus on the Syrian crisis in 2011, it was not considered a major national interest for the United States.
But the refugees ultimately undermine the stability of our closest allies, a vital interest for the United States.
So, interest has shifted.
At the same time, I think the president has set some goals for himself that hinder the way they deal with this issue.
You will remember that he left early on under some pressure and said Assad had to leave. TODD: Right.
David: But there is no plan for Assad to step down.
I think it took them two or three years to try and figure out, in order to achieve that, do they want to put in the necessary resources?
Maybe this is the wrong goal.
Maybe they just need to come to a political conclusion earlier on the war, before the Russians got involved in it last year and made it more complicated.
TODD: You know, Michael, the president said something statistically real today.
But you can't say it feels like this country.
That's the only two he's got-
The term of president is basically the commander-in-chief of the entire two terms during the war period.
A lot of people-John McCain would say he didn't remind the country enough that we were in a state of war.
What would you say?
O'Hanlon: Well, speaking of David's last point, this is a good example of unrealistic goals, and President Obama certainly set the goal of trying to leave Iraq and Afghanistan altogether.
It seems to be a measure of success, he said.
I think his performance in Afghanistan is OK.
After some big setbacks, we look much better now.
So if you adjust to a more pragmatic standard, the record doesn't look so bad, at least in both countries.
But in a way, I agree with John McCain that President Obama does want to talk about this at times. And in his re-
He really wants to use the complete withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan as the standard for success.
I think this is an unrealistic goal.
He 'd better say, look, I'm still trying to protect the country from terrorist attacks.
Help these countries to stabilize themselves as much as possible.
On the basis of those more moderate and reasonable criteria, I think his record is mixed, but a little better than against unrealistic absolute standards.
TODD: Let's turn to Trump, David, who says President Obama, and I think he wants to send a clear message, not just Trump, and I think for some of his critics, hey, ISIS is a threat but let's not turn them into-they can stand with the world's superpowers.
Explain the route he was trying to get there.
SANGER: Well, I think the route he wants to take, Chuck, is fairly simple.
ISIS poses a regional threat and may have access to the United States because it inspires some people here to a fairly low degree
We have been lucky so far that they have been at a low level.
But when President Obama sees a series of threats he knows the next president will face, he will think, you know, you have a lot of bigger problems.
You have Russians who are intimidating Europe and you say very little.
You found Chinese people in the South China Sea and elsewhere.
You have a North Korea with crazy missiles and nuclear programs. [17:10:11]
So, you see the president's only focus.
Trump and his national security adviser or national security adviser Michael Flynn have just been elected on ISIS.
I think it's hard for President Obama to imagine that once they realize the complexity of the world they inherit, they will be able to continue to focus on ISIS.
Todd: Michael, what do you think Trump will look like?
Basically, will he manage the crisis into a crisis?
I mean, I 've been trying to tell people that this guy, in terms of domestic policy, is ideologically plastic.
While there is some consistency in international policy, it is not all-there is some contradiction.
I think you're right, Chuck.
Of course, he is flexible.
I just took a sigh of relief and it is clear that this theory will not be one of the theories of mass layoffs.
After all the talk we heard about AmericaS.
Those allies who have not done enough, so despite their treaty obligations, from NATO to Japan, South Korea and elsewhere, are not necessarily worthy of the United States defending their territory, this does not seem to be the message that Mr.
Trump wants to send it now.
So no matter what the doctrine will eventually be, at least I don't think it will be a radical isolationism or a withdrawal from the world.
No matter what its merits are, I think it is unrealistic for a world like today that we already have 50 or 60 allies.
Frankly, the alliance system has done a good job of maintaining peace in most of these areas. TODD: OK.
David Sanger-O'Hanlon: so, compared to what I expected a few months ago or a few weeks ago, I'm relieved that the Trump theory will not-obviously not-be.
TODD: But as far as Donald Trump is concerned, if there is a country that will obviously be a rival, it is China.
In essence, we have been passive in China-taking a passive attitude towards China with Bush, Obama, Clinton, other Bush, and even with Reagan.
We're not going to have this situation with Trump, are we, David Sanger?
SANGER: No, you're not.
He suggested that once he took defensive measures against the Taiwanese phone, he not only tweeted about trade issues with China, but also some tweets about the South China Sea issue with China.
Chuck, this will become very interesting and he needs China's help in any North Korean strategy he makes. TODD: Right.
SANGER: I'm not sure if he's ready for help now.
Todd: I 've heard about it from many Americans. S. -
Chinese experts believe the North Korean issue could make him speak better to China. Coming up.
Anyway, Michael o'hanlen-Sanger: It's not going to be the first president to have this happen.
TODD: That's true.
Anyway, I appreciate both of you.
Thank you for your expertise.
Come on, real autumnout from so-
Known as fake newsThe made-up stuff.
Why is this not only dishonest, but it may now be a threat to humanity as well.
In addition, Vice President Joe Biden's hindsight is 2020 right?
Once again, our own Kelly O'Donnell is trying to get a direct answer on whether he plans to take part in this big job for the third time. Stay tuned. [17:13:14](
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Todd: welcome back.
A few weeks ago, a group of Democrats tried to recruit Joe Biden as the next chairman of the Democratic National Committee.
That's a failure.
But last night, the vice president told reporters he might run for another position. (
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Man: Are you running again?
Joe Biden, vice president of the United States: Yes, I am.
I'm going to run in 2020.
Unidentified male: for what?
Biden: President.
You know, so, what the hell is it, man.
Unidentified male: To be clear, were you KIDDING when you ran for president in 2020?
Biden: I just-I don't promise not to run. (END AUDIO CLIP)
Todd: I like that.
I don't promise not to run.
Old double negative.
Anyway, we have to ask.
Is this serious? Is it not?
Biden is 78 years old.
To November of 2020 of course 78 is new of 68.
NBC's Kelly O'Donnell tried to answer the question again today.
When the vice president visited Capitol Hill to visit the Democratic House caucus, she caught up with him.
Guess what?
He kept the speculation alive. (
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Woman: Sir.
Vice President, are we right about 2020 to take you seriously?
Biden: I have not announced-I have not announced it now.
Woman: Are you open the door? (END VIDEO CLIP)
Todd: Didn't Biden hear another non-service call? Sorry.
Or is this more about realizing that he may have more chances of winning in 2016 than his former colleagues in the Obama administration?
In any case, don't pay attention to more MTP Daily shows in advance.
We will be back soon. (
Business break)
Todd: welcome back.
According to BuzzFeed, three months before 2016 presidential election,up news, made-
Fabricated facts
In fact, the share rate of up sources is higher than the actual news
You know, from so-and-so.
Mainstream media.
As we have been reporting, one of the false conspiracy theories is true.
Consequences of life.
Last weekend, a North Carolina man was charged with using a lethal weapon for an attack and was charged with other forms.
According to court documents, the gentleman went to the Comet Pizza shop in Washington, D. C. C. to self-
It is called pizzagate to explore a False network conspiracy theory.
It falsely claims that the pizza parlor somehow hides a child porn ring run by Hillary Clinton and John Podesta.
Nowadays, people often see ridiculous stories on social media, spread like wildfire, and sometimes even spread by those in power.
Politico reports that since August 9, retired general Mike Flynn, Trump's chosen national security adviser, has posted suspicious news on Twitter at least 16 times.
Then, hours after Sunday's incident, Flynn's son's Twitter account posted a pizzagate conspiracy theory on Twitter, saying, well, prove it's not true.
By the way, the young Flynn is Flynn's-his father's chief of staff at the Flynn Intel Group.
The vice president is in early Anjo today.
Mike Pence, the elected, said the young Flynn was not involved in the transition.
But Jason Miller, Trump's spokesman, later said that the young Mikel Flynn had helped his father in the early stages of the transition, but was no longer involved.
In fact, he was involved and they tried to get a security clearance, but apparently had been thoroughly checked.
Let's bring the panel in. Democratic (INAUDIBLE)
Susan Page, president of USA Today's Washington branch, and ramroo Ramesh Ponnuru of the National Review.
"Hopefully, I won't repeat his name again on this show.
Susan, when I said fake news, our friends on social media said, oh, the person on MSN is you.
But let's be realistic here.
This is conspiracy theory, which looks like a news story that almost cost someone a life.
Susan Page, president of USA Today's Washington branch: of course, this seems to be not only false, but also absurd, it's ridiculous to claim that Hillary Clinton runs a child sex ring at a pizza shop in northwest Washington. C.
But this guy believed it. [17:20:06]TODD: Right.
PAGE: it shows how dangerous it is.
Someone may have been killed.
Todd: Yes, it's definitely not information.
There are so many.
People-there's a joke in the report, you know, we call it too good to check. PAGE: Yes.
TODD: You know, that's ,(INAUDIBLE)
It's like I heard this.
And then, you really checked, it's not true.
It's more interesting to read stories that are not real.
That's why novels sell more than non-fiction.
The novel on the shelf
Ramesh ponnuru, senior editor of National Review: recently, the real story seems to be crazy. TODD: Yes.
You know, what do we do about the epidemic?
PONNURU: Well, it's a real problem and it's a real problem to solve it.
One of the problems you have is that we already have Facebook stories, for example, political tendencies.
So, even if there is a problem, do you believe that they will actually suppress it in a neutral, objective and transparent way?
TODD: What exactly does that mean?
I understand.
Like, but look at Mike Flynn's son, oh, wait a minute.
Cornell, no, no, prove to me that this is not true.
No one has proved to me that this is not true.
That's the question, did you stop hitting your wife?
Cornell Belcher, a Democratic pollster: Well, it's dangerous.
We are in the thought of the post-truth period.
It is dangerous and dangerous for our democracy.
It's really challenging all of you because you're really newsmen, not me.
Todd: To be honest, the political adviser has to be -- Belcher: I was going to say that.
Todd: I want to say that politicians do play a bigger role. (CROSSTALK)
Belcher: because now-because in fact, now politicians can go beyond you and get around you, Chuck.
They have direct access to people they are trying to communicate in ways that they were unable to reach ten years ago.
So, you becomeINAUDIBLE)
I don't want to say that.
But you become less relevant in this conversation.
You will see now slipping away with fake news.
They don't need to experience all of you who are against them.
They can go directly to the person they want to go.
Page: but it will weaken the credibility and trust of institutions, including the media. BELCHER: Yes.
PAGE: people are willing to believe what they see on Facebook, this is a project shared by friends, not -(CROSSTALK)
Todd: By the way, it's not-I mean, we shouldn't be surprised by the effect of Facebook, at this point, aren't you easier to buy products your friends like than people you don't know? So, that I s-
This has always been the power of sharing on social media. PAGE: The e-
Mail chain letterTODD: Right.
But the problem is that it becomes a chain letter.
Page: But let me also point out the story of Flynn and the story of little Flynn.
The story is not just a false news story.
This is also a story about the judgment and temperament of people who may or will be involved in the new government.
TODD: You can-I mean-the fact of Flynn-I mean, if Flynn is involved in this, when will it disqualify him for the job?
Of course, he does not need to confirm.
TODD: That doesn't answer my question.
When did this disqualify him from work?
Page: Donald Trump also has this problem. TODD: Yes.
It was entirely up to him to decide.
Now, if he mentions a cabinet secretary to do so, then I hope the Senate will explore that at the confirmation hearing.
But this is the power of the president. (CROSSTALK)
Belcher: But that doesn't disqualify him, because the president is now in power largely on the same thing, saying whatever he wants to say, the truth is damn.
TODD: Well, one of them-so, the person we need to mention here is an information war cat.
This guy Alex Jones, let me play a clip, he's been a loyal supporter of Trump from the beginning, and he thinks he and Trump are like that. (
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Information war host Alex Jones: I'll tell you, talk about the issue in the air, and then hear Trump say it's surreal, two days later, word for word. It is amazing.
It just shows how this guy dialed, and that's why they're so scared of him. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Todd: this guy, in his 1970 s, should be the high end of. m.
No one will hear his broadcast.
This guy has followers like this.
He's just a cuckoo from Cocoa Puffs. I just don`t.
I mean, page. INAUDIBLE. )
Todd:-he would tear off his shirt sometimes, and he would be very angry with what he made. up news. It`s creepy.
He thinks Sandy Hook is a scam. it's fake.
Yes, yes.
PONNURU: But we should also assess his assessment of Trump and him on the same page with a grain of salt.
He's crazy.
TODD: That's right.
Now, Trump is flirting with him, right?
He doesn't have to-you know, he doesn't associate with him, but he did make a phone call once. BELCHER: Right.
But I think that's-I think we have to put two points at the same time.
First, Trump and the people around him are careless about such things.
Remember, Trump himself just casually spread unfounded rumors about the possible killing of Judge Scalia.
But at the same time, I don't believe there is evidence.
That's what greet Trump chose.
I think it would be a negative reaction if people-if it seemed like an excuse-
Working hard for election results
Todd: is this LBJ's strategy?
What I want to say is that what I want to say is definitely LBJ. You know what? Just say it.
Who cares if this is true?
Say it and let them deny it.
Maybe Trump is running a company he doesn't care about.
He knew it was fake.
But put everything in because you know what?
It dwarfs the real journalists. [17:25:05]
But it's too cynical, right?
Todd: Okay.
But guess what?
It succeeded in making all of us thin.
BELCHER: Right.
But what is our responsibility?
Again, I'm not a journalist.
But as journalists, what is our responsibility to face this problem?
There are a lot of people out there-and frankly, everyone is not strict enough with him.
I know you all refused very hard.
But there is a feeling that a lot of what he said is not true, and he escaped a lot in the mainstream media.
Page: I don't know, he got-I think it was a counter-attack-and of course, criticism is fair enough for media coverage of the campaign.
But the retreat is very serious, and the fact that it has been checking what he said has no effect on those voters who want to support him because it is not the reason why they support him.
They supported him for other reasons.
It is not a big punishment for him.
Page:-with regard to what he said over and over again, the war in Iraq is clearly not going to punish him for saying untrue things.
Todd: Ironically, these fringe news groups that are mainstream are wrong.
But when the public is wrong, they think it's us.
It's also part of it, it's just his compulsion, you know, it's the same for everyone.
I think it has some.
PONNURU: Well, that's also-people are not careful about media consumers and they know that a lot of people in our media are wrong about the overall coverage of the election.
They didn't make all the distinctions.
Todd: No, they don't. All right.
Cornell, Susan, Ramesh, as the phrase of the Republic, we will take a break. Stay with us.
Is the cultural war over or is it back in a strange way? Keep it here. We`ll discuss. [17:26:44](
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Paul Ryan, US House Speaker: four, three, two, one!
Hey, hey, look at that.
Chuck Todd, NBC's director of journalism and politics, host of Meet the News Daily: The tree looks beautiful.
Just now, it may be a rainy night in Washington, D. C. C.
But that was House Speaker Paul Ryan who, with the help of Boise, Idaho's fifth grade, lit the Capitol Christmas tree on the west lawn. Nice work. Because the 80-
By the way, foot mann spruce is from Payette National Forest, Idaho. (END VIDEO CLIP)
TODD: We'll have more MTP Daily, but here's another good news story from Hampton Pearson.
Hampton Pearson, CNBC Reporter: Hey Chuck, by the way, the lights on the tree look great.
The stock rose above the end of the day.
The Dow rose 35 points.
End with another record
The S & P index rose seven points.
The Nasdaq index rose 24.
Chipotle, one of the company's ceo, said he was nervous about achieving the earnings guidance provided in October.
Shares fell more than 7% today. And U. S.
The trade deficit expanded significantly in October, up nearly $ 18%.
6 billion, 4-month high.
This is the biggest time.
It has increased by one month since 2015.
This was released by CNBC, the world's number one business. (
Business break)
Todd: welcome back.
So, what is the cultural war in America?
Are we just beginning or is it coming to an end?
As Bob Dylan might say, my friend, the answer is fluttering in the wind.
Now, from voters, Trump, and his cabinet members, this is all over the place.
In North Carolina, there seems to be a clear message that voters simply don't want a big social struggle to be a headache.
Rebound on so-
Despite good economic data, Pat McCrory, the current Republican governor, is called the bathroom bill.
But the Trump Tower is picking a cabinet with cultural war conservatives like Mike Huckabee.
Trump picked Christian Carson, who was born again, to run the HUD.
Senator Jeff Sessions of supportlife, anti-
Marijuana was banned from voting. sex marriage.
This is the AG of the nation's top police.
By the way, on some hot showers and social issues like 29 states have now legalized recreational or medical marijuana.
What will he do about same-sex benefits for federal employees?
Maybe that's Donald Trump's decision.
If you are looking for clues about Trump, you may want to keep looking because Trump himself is a bit conflicted and contradictory on various social issues.
He said he had no opinion on same-sex marriage as a national law, but promised to appoint a firm and conservative judge.
As a candidate, Trump took five different positions on abortion in three days.
One day in April, Trump said he woke up against the bathroom bill in North Carolina, and then he said he supported the bill before going to bed.
But if you're Trump, you can't think about it anymore.
When you run the country, appoint A Supreme Court judge, or sign that you are. G. must enforce.
So how is he going to govern?
What do voters want? Where are we?
Once we look at the polls, maybe we will find clues there.
Gallup says 60% of people across the country support the legalization of marijuana.
Quinnipiac said 67% of the people agreed with the Supreme Court's decision on women's right to abortion.
Gallup says 68% of people believe same-sex marriage should be legal.
Washington Post columnist E. J.
David French of the National Review
David, let me start with you.
What do you read?
What do you take from North Carolina?
On the one hand, they sent Republicans to Washington, but they fired a Republican governor, which in essence seemed to be a social problem.
What do you think? what did you learn?
Staff writer, senior National Review researcher David French: I have learned the same from a lot of controversy.
When the public sees these issues of cultural war, I feel like the public, and unless you're dealing with the foundations of both sides, I'll see who they think is picking who.
Who is the bully in this case?
I think, frankly, the media did a very good job of portraying the governor of North Carolina as a bully here.
There are also brave dissidents who stand up against him.
When you get into this dynamic, it puts him in a PR dilemma that he can't really dig out.
But in other cases, there are some very interesting analyses, basically saying that the Obama administration has done too much on some issues of cultural war, said alienated working-class voters, the Obama administration seems to focus more on cultural wars than on jobs.
So I think it's a mixed bag. TODD: E. J.
You have the same problem.
How do you read North Carolina? E. J.
Washington Post columnist DIONNE: I think Governor McCrory is in trouble for that, but also because of the voting rights issue, I think the whole Moral Monday movement, the barber priest movement, many people were mobilized to actually vote.
Todd: Remember, they voted for Trump, Burr, Cooper. DIONNE: Yes. TODD: Okay.
Two Rs and a D.
There are a lot of voters who obviously do this, otherwise you won't have a result.
Dion: That's right.
I think there are a lot of problems at the state level and the bathroom bill is one of them. TODD: Right.
Dion: but as you suggested in your opening remarks, the problem with Trump is that he is already everywhere on many of these issues.
But Trump seems prepared to represent his views on these issues to his constituents.
He has 81% of the votes from white evangelists, the best share the presidential candidate has won in a long time.
He gave a very strong reaction.
I think there was an abortion in one of the debates. TODD: Right. DIONNE: .
He made an implicit and clear commitment to them.
So whether he is satisfied with the position or not, whether he really cares about it or not, I think that's the direction he's going to move forward, it's a conservative direction from a social point of view, but not in same-sex marriage.
Todd: David, what are you talking about? J.
Let's take it. -I'm going back and forth.
I think he will respond to the results of the election, consider 2020 and think, well, I can't let the evangelists down, because they support me more than I send them mixed messages.
French: Yes, I don't think he cares about the classic cultural war at all. I really don`t.
I don't think he cares so much about abortion one way or the other.
I think he is more than happy to use these questions to get what he wants.
I think he is more than happy to get what he wants with the evangelical vote.
I think he's paying off the evangelical voters now.
I have no problem with many of his cabinet members.
I think he has some excellent performance in this regard.
But when these issues get tricky, if they are escalating and his support ratings are low, I will worry about his level of belief as a social conservative, because I don't think he has any degree of faith in it.
If these issues are seen as obstacles to the albatross on his or his neck, I will ask him to give up his promise quickly.
By the way, I agree with David.
I don't think he feels at all about these things and he doesn't care about them either.
But I think he knows where his political foundation is and where the people who will be with him are.
Definition of base or person with you.
TODD: That's right. DIONNE: .
When you're wrong
TODD: That's right. DIONNE: .
I think these people are more likely to be with him than the rest of the electorate.
Todd: I'm curious about one thing, and that's the issue of marijuana, because there's going to be a conflict between conservatives like you, right?
This will be the right and morality of the country.
Jeff Sessions's position on marijuana is very clear.
Let me have something to eat. (
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Jeff Sessions, American teenagerS.
Senator from Alabama: we need to grow
The head of ups in Washington says marijuana should not be legalized, and in fact it is a very real danger. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Todd: As we all know, the federal government can simply decide to enforce federal law, and everything these states do is basically invalid.
David, your-what do you expect-do you expect the struggle between social conservatives and libertarians in this regard?
French: You know, to be honest, I 've been running in social conservative circles for many years and cannabis is ranked 100 on the list. (LAUGHTER)FRENCH: .
The base really cares.
You know, my point is to leave it to the United States.
I don't think it's going to be a bright spot for conservative sports, because it's not a bright spot for conservative sports.
There are far more things that people care about.
I want to leave it to America.
In fact, if you want to talk more broadly about cultural issues, if you want to reduce the issue of cultural war and reduce some of the cultural war rhetoric, I think the emphasis on federalism should be strengthened.
Make California and Tennessee.
DIONNE: but we see, Chuck, conservatives enforce state rights unless they're not.
You 've seen that at the local level, when cities do something that conservative governments don't like, they take power away from the city.
What you're setting up here is that if Trump doesn't actually care about marijuana, but Sessions continues to attack these states, Trump will either have to break with his attorney general, or you will have a Conservative break with the rights of the states.
TODD: It's clear that if Trump were on a socially conservative line, the Supreme Court could win him a lot of time.
David, as far as social conservatives are concerned, do you want him to do this right?
French: Oh, I think it's the first one.
I think, you know, he's going to replace Scalia, he's going to be under a lot of pressure to leave the list and his list is good. If he goes off-
Listing with his first option would scare a lot of people and he would see his base eroded immediately.
So I think this first choice is easy.
The difficult choice is, if he has another one, what is his approval rating and what is the temperature in the country at that time?
It will be a difficult choice.
Todd: Okay.
David French. J.
Dionne, wonderful discussion between the two of you. I want to re-
Discussions are held every few months.
You are very, very interesting on this topic. Thank you both. Appreciate it.
In front of the lid, Trump walked to the bully's Forum.
Let's take a look at what's behind Boeing's rebound. (
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Todd: welcome back.
Tonight I am obsessed with democratizing the media.
Not all of this, giving the United States a voice, liberating the flow of information from the three networks and some newspapers, over the years, all of these people are managed by people who look and think exactly the same, and this is not a bad thing.
This is a great thing.
I'm talking about the plague of fake news.
When we talk about the dangerous event of Comet ping, the virus almost took life this week
Pong pizza restaurant in Washington.
This is not the first time fake news has gained currency.
The brochure's authors, James Callender, spread rumors about John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton.
Those who walk past the airport in their 70 s can remember all the bad faith
The feeling of the Queen of England.
The more news organizations reveal the story of sex slaves at the time, the more they can inspire new fake news and new followers of comment.
Fake news is a virus that changes and replicates as it adapts to survive.
There is no simple answer to this fake news plague, and there is no quick solution, but politicians can never start again.
Because it feels good, lie and conspiracy theories are pushed.
By realizing that when they mercilessly attacked the media, they almost softened the basis for the spread of fake news as contagious. (
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President Donald Trump
S. election: I think Boeing is doing something.
We want Boeing to make a lot of money, but not much. (END VIDEO CLIP)
TODD: You see, Donald Trump raised his forum high today.
This is the Boeing aircraft manufacturing company.
Trump bought the company earlier.
In the morning, the company said on Twitter that Boeing is building a new 747 Air Force One for the future president, but the cost is out of control, more than $4 billion. Cancel order.
Exclamation mark.
Boeing responded that part of the reason is that our current contract is $0. 17 billion to help determine the capabilities of these complex military aircraft that meet the unique requirements of the president of the United States.
Trump's number on Air Force One does not seem to match the current arrangements for Boeing and the Defense Department, but Trump's words do have an impact.
Shares of Boeing fell 1 after Twitter was released. 6 percent.
Things have stabilized by the deadline, but the message from Trump seems clear.
So, the panel takes the lid with me.
Cornell Belcher, Susan Page, Ramesh Ponnuru
Ramesh, do you think the Republican president is so radical about American businesses?
Now, you know, Boeing surrendered.
This is the power of the domineering Forum.
Ramesh ponnuru, columnist and senior editor of the National Review magazine: this is a new force in the bully Forum.
I think if a Democratic president is involved in the affairs of these individual companies, micromanaging them and naming them in individual cases, then Republicans in Congress will be very
TODD: What do you say? (LAUGHTER)
Todd: Do you have a stroke?
I mean, they should do the same now.
This is not the right role for a president or president --
Choose to play.
Todd: Susan, I want to know how much.
Interestingly, Kevin McCarthy gave in to Trump on a lot more than Paul Ryan for me yesterday, but the second person in the House said, hey, we are not going to do this 35% tariff business.
Will Boeing make other more conservative private-sector Republicans stronger?
Susan Page, USA Today reporter and current president of the Washington branch: maybe it will make some business leaders really nervous, worried that he will criticize them on Twitter and let them lose their share price.
I mean, it's like a different field.
Have we ever had a president like this in the last 50 years?
Todd: we have industry, right?
The president is involved in the industry.
Obama on the car, Kennedy on the steel.
Of course, George W.
Bush made of steel.
Hey, Teddy Roosevelt stood on a pedestal for being tough with American companies.
Well, you know.
But do not interfere with individual companies. (CROSSTALK)PAGE: .
It's from the federal government.
Cornell Belcher, president of brilliant corner research and strategy: Let me tell you what our Republicans and friends have said.
He's a socialist.
They will call him out. out socialist.
But at the same time, I think it's interesting.
This has to strain Wall Street and some Republicans because he's intervening in the market and Republicans shouldn't be supporting the free market, right?
It is clear that his intervention has not made the market so free.
But at the same time, Chuck, if you think about his foundation, if you think about the voters who voted for him, think about the people who were hurt by the free market economy, it has a lot of political significance for him, though, I think there will be a conflict here with the republican institutions.
TODD: You know, it impressed me like the way Trump actually built this real estate empire, that is, he's not worried about the long term
Long-term consequences of trading debt. It`s short-term gain.
Now, politically, it's short-lived. term gain.
It was a good harvest for him.
PONNURU: well, short
Long-term gains have increased.
Todd: China. That`s right.
PONNURU: You know, he actually won the presidential election with a strategy that people don't think will work.
Todd: laugh at him. PONNURU: .
So I believe it gives him confidence in everything he does.
But the problem is not that it is counter-productive.
In business, the problem is not to agree to interfere.
An unhealthy connection between the government and the industry, which I think is bad for the long-term economy --
The existence of this country
Page: There's also a sign that he's not a conservative Republican, and he's a populist on these issues.
This is a populist.
Todd: He's a nationalist.
I think there are more nationalists than populism.
Because, frankly, that's what you all think Barack Obama is socialist, right?
So I think you can go further.
When you intervene in the free market, you know, Republicans shouldn't be against that.
It will be interesting how he gets along with members of Congress.
TODD: That brings some uncertainty to American businesses, which they say they don't like.
They support him, right? TODD: Did they?
They certainly support the Republican Party.
TODD: That said, one CEO of Fortune 100 supported Trump, but didn't he?
This is fair.
Page: they will be more supportive than any other nominee. (LAUGHTER)
Todd: I went to Joe Biden yesterday.
Is he kidding or not?
I'm still working on a solution to this problem.
Should we put Biden's voice fast?
I think we have it. Let`s play it.
We don't have Biden's interest in journalists, but I think some people say it's not serious, but I think there's one, boy.
There is a sprout of truth.
The problem is a joke.
This is not a serious question.
Does his answer make people think he is serious?
And, you know, I don't think he's serious, but I think he's sorry for not running this time, it's a sprout of truth.
He wants to be president.
I bet if he can finish in four years.
Belcher: I think if Biden threw his hat in, you 'd be surprised at how many people supported him.
This is a man standing by the president.
Todd: would you say that two years ago?
I will. I would have.
Because everyone likes Joe Biden very much.
We talked a lot about politics, but in the end, Chuck, people tend to vote for people they like.
He is a better person than Hillary Clinton to start in the public.
Page: Now the Democrats are in a mood. God, he should run.
Todd: He's the only one who can stop the party from breaking like he did.
He can play a Frank role in both identity politics and blue-collar politics.
He could have crossed that.
Yeah, but you know what?
For four years, Democrats will surely want to enter a new generation, and leaders in their 70 s.
I agree with you.
Todd: right? BELCHER: . but who isn`t?
Gilberland.
Todd: Do you think that's what Republicans say in 93?
Many people think Bob Dole's day is over, Trump said.
PAGE: how does it work out for them? (LAUGHTER)
PONNURU: if they are against a Donald Trump who is running for re-election
In my view, the election did eliminate the age problem to some extent.
Belcher: But I also think, you know, there's a part of Warren in the party, a populist left --
I don't know Joe Biden is their candidate.
TODD: That might mean we're all curious now if he's trying to get to Iowa.
Belcher: The election has begun.
Todd: Oh, don't laugh.
Of course.
I was waiting-I think I saw Jason Kander who didn't even win and was going to Iowa somehow. (LAUGHTER)
Todd: Everybody's going to Iowa next month.
In any case, Cornell, Susan, Ramesh, thank you as always.
After that, we will have more MTP every day. (
Business break)
Todd: In the end, if you miss it, the Democrats are a little desperate now in the Senate seat.
As usual, the state of Luis Anna will hold a Senate runoff on Saturday. The president-
President-elect Donald Trump will travel to the state to support Republican candidate John Kennedy.
By the way, it has nothing to do with the Democratic Kennedy family.
Meanwhile, Democratic candidate Foster Campbell, who was behind in the race, released a press release today attacking Kennedy
The visit of the time Liberal Democratic Party and Donald Trump said that.
By the way, it was true that Kennedy was once a Democrat.
Foster Campbell, I'm very happy, president.
Elect is following Luis Anna state and I look forward to working with him on things he agrees with me, such as time limit and rebuilding our roads, bridges and ports. You get that.
The Democrat not only said good things about Donald Trump, but also embraced him in hopes of getting the Republican vote.
Mine, how things have changed in more than a month.
That's all we have tonight.
We will be back tomorrow and there will be more MTP every day.
But Chris Matthews is reporting now.
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