Deputy AG won’t commit to protecting independence. TRANSCRIPT: 4/10/19, All In w/ Chris Hayes. - most expensive restaurant dishes in the world

MSNBC host Chris Matthews: I forgot to mention the second thing about Trump's visit to Mount Vernon, and it is clear that President Macron knows the history and country of the place better than the person who received him.
This is a hard ball now.
Chris Hayes's "ALLIN" is starting now. (
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Chris Hayes, MSNBC host: all in tonight. REP. CHRIS COONS (D-DE)
Has anyone seen it there in the White House?
William Barr, Attorney General of the United States: As I said, I am landing a plane now.
Hayes: When Trump's conspiracy theory was kept secret, the attorney general threw gas at him.
Barr: I think there is really espionage.
Hayes: The beginning of the Trump world confrontation tonight
The offensive nature of investigators
US President Donald Trump: It was an attempted coup.
Hayes: former Secretary of Homeland Security, Plus-kirstjen nielsen: we used to have a policy of family separation.
Hayes: After implementing Trump's cruel agenda, should anyone be able to restore their image?
When Democrats face big pharma, what happened today?
Woman: The system is broken.
When the Democrats face big silver? REP. AL GREEN (D)
Texas: If you think your likely successor is a woman or a person of color, would you be able to reach out to the air in a friendly way?
Hayes: Democrats oppose climate change denial in Congress.
Former Secretary of State John Kerry: Are you serious?
I mean, what's really going on here? REP. THOMAS MASSIE (R)
Kentucky: You know, Hayes: when it all started-it was serious. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: Good evening. This is Chris Hayes.
Attorney General William Barr is trying what he has tried and failed before.
He tried to serve the two masters of public interest and the president of the United States.
But when it comes to a critical moment, there is no doubt as to where bar's priorities are.
Today, Bal returned to Capitol Hill for the second day in a row and appeared in front of the Senate Appropriations group, trying to restore the faith information vacuum created by amistan himself in the Mueller report because he did not let them see it.
Barr told Congress that the report was edited with the input of mueller 'Steam and that he would do a good job
Work hard to provide members with the information they need. (
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Bal: I intend to discuss it with the House and the Senate Judiciary Committee, the chair and senior members in other areas who feel it is necessary for them to have access to this information and see if I can adapt to it.
As has been correctly stated here, the fact that the information is classified is not necessarily-does not mean that Congress cannot see it. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: of course, this is not the headline news that the attorney general is attending today. No, no, no.
The biggest news is that, in addition to the review of sinspector General, the department that has already started investigating the Trump campaign, Barr is now conducting its own review. (
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Barr: I think it's a big deal to watch a political movement.
It`s a bigdeal. SEN.
Jenny shaxin (D-NH)
So you're not-you're not suggesting that there was a spy?
Bal: I don't-well, I think you might-I think there might be-there was indeed a quarrel.
Yes, I do think there is espionage.
Sha hin: Well, let me-Bal: But the question is whether it is premised or not, and whether there is sufficient premised.
I am not saying that it is not fully predicted, but that it needs to be explored. (END VIDEO CLIP)HAYES: OK.
In context, it is clear that Bal means to engage in espionage in a neutral sense, as in surveillance.
You can see for a while that he is a little confused about the word.
He said whether there is a sufficient basis for this issue and whether there is a legal basis.
Did they do these checks for a reason?
There is no evidence that it has no legal basis.
Of course, Barr happened to use the same sinister pronunciation used by the president and his allies as about so-
Spiegate is called an effort to build a Trump campaign.
More than two years ago, President Obama tweeted that his "wires were bugged ".
"It is entirely false and unfounded to say that it is always the basis --
Expand the network of conspiracy theories, which are collectively referred to as spy gates, involving Devin Nunes and TrumpTV, as well as CarterPage and George Papadopoulos promoted by the president's Twitter Partners, among others
So when the Minister of Justice, the country's most senior law enforcement official, uses the word spy, these are the results.
This is what Barr did for his boss today.
Gave him ammunition for the political struggle and stamped the seal approved by the United StatesS.
Justice Department. (
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It was an attempted coup.
It was an attempt at apresident and we beat them. We beat them.
What I'm most interested in is the beginning of init, and hopefully the justice minister he mentioned yesterday did a good job in starting to get back to where it all started. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi took the time to respond to Barr's Congressional testimony during a Democratic resession in Virginia. (
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Speaker of the House: Let me say how, very frustrating and disappointing our country's chief law enforcement officers were to be off track yesterday and today.
He is the attorney general of the United States of America, not the attorney general of Donald Trump. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: Two former federal prosecutors have joined me, and they are not
Political role, former United States of AmericaS.
Lawyers in western Pennsylvania, assistant former deputy attorney general and Carol Lin.
She was the former president of the United States. S.
Lawyers in Southern California are also former High Court judges in San Diego.
Carol, I started with you.
I mean, a lot of people hear the word and you can see that Barr is wrestling with himself.
But he will review the origins of the investigation, which has been the focus of partisan debate for some time, and under his supervision, what does the independence of the Department of Justice mean to you?
Former US president Carol LinS.
Lawyer: I have to say that what surprised me was that Attorney General Barr seemed a little surprised at how people were startled by the word spy.
It doesn't seem to indicate to him that this is a very hot button type word and he ended up turning it into a monitor, he said, and what he was worried about is, whether there is a sufficient basis for this surveillance.
But you know, I don't think I'm surprised given the article barr wrote in the past about the role of president.
He would say that I wouldn't be surprised if the president wanted me to open an investigation, or at least to see if something abnormal had happened.
Then the question is if you will know the ball and the stripes when he looks at what actually exists.
So he did say I had to wait for me. G.
The inspector general reports coming out next week to see what was said above and then we take it from there.
It's all not that unusual, but he doesn't seem to understand what the word spy really implies there.
Hayes: this is the place I am unusual, Harry.
This is not necessarily the action of the Justice Department, but the president's former Minister of Justice in which he condemned, bullied, lobbied, insulted him, because he didn't do what he wanted on twitter and behind the scenes, Barr knew it was one of the few things the president wanted.
The president wants to be acquitted of Miller's report in the public mind.
He gave him something that allowed him to say that.
The president wants to think-people think he has a lot of security awareness.
He gave him the title today.
This is a question, at this point, given the action taken against Bal by forces from Penn 1600, can you trust him as an independent person.
Former US president Harry LettermanS.
Lawyer: that's true.
You see, this is unusual and disturbing.
You can look at what he says or what he's doing.
As far as he is concerned, there are 20 ways to better express it, including this, nothing.
There are no other comments other than I might look.
This is a word full of electricity.
He knew it was a word full of charges, which threw a grenade at a political minefield.
In terms of what he did, I understand Carol's point of view.
There is a way to think that it may be tedious and simple to look at the procedure alone, but the attorney general does not usually do so.
If he wants I, you will. G.
This shows that he wants the facts.
It suggests the whole re-
Review of false allegations involving McCabe, etc.
It will only stir up a political quarrel that the Justice Department really has no business to do and no business to do-it is not in Bar's interest.
Hayes: this is the case, Carol.
I mean, I think it's good.
The interpretation of Barr's belief in malicious behavior.
Although the White House's dishonesty is given to some extent, right?
I mean, the pressure from the White House.
We know what the White House wants.
We know that the White House does not respect the independence of this department.
I want to hear from you, and when asked if the White House had read the report, what did he say today, and if so, it's not necessarily inappropriate, because the Privilege Review was a strange answer he gave yesterday and a strange one today. Take a listen. (
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Has anyone seen the report in the White House?
Bal: You know, I won't-and I won't-you know, as my assistant, I'm landing the plane right now, and you know, I 've always been willing to discuss my letters and the process of the future, but the report will be released next week and I will not discuss the process in detail until the aircraft on the ground. (END VIDEO CLIP)
What do you think, Carol?
Lin: Yes, you know, one thing that is very clear here is that political and criminal law enforcement is really bad.
This has always been the case. It`s true now.
It's hard for me to tell if Bill Barr was just saying, you know, I'm not going to go to this rabbit hole, I'm just going to stop this conversation right now, or you know, it doesn't seem easy to say, since he said he would not submit the report to them for an administrative privilege review, they have not seen it in particular.
He decided not to just talk further about it.
I do not know what conclusions are drawn from this.
I don't-you know, if they're not going to review its administrative privileges, and then, I really don't know if that's worrying, frankly, because they are not going to insist on providing Congress with what they can do.
Hayes: Harry, it seems to me that you should answer this question.
I mean, like if you say yes, they actually decide that they want a personal review, which seems to be what they are entitled.
You can say that.
Of course you can.
Now, it may have been in the context of the hearing.
He's just raised some stage direction and at some point he'll stick to it-you know, stop them, and that's what asCarol said, not necessarily sinister.
But all of these issues will be waiting-and will be explained more once we have the report.
The bigger part of Miller's report revealed to me that Mueller was completely out of the process by the time he told Barr that he would not go to the bottom line.
Barr said it was surprising that he did it himself and did not even discuss it with him, and he did not know how Mueller felt about it. HAYES: Right.
LITMAN: it makes it look like a complete, you know, legal term that sua quite uses bar.
It's strange, I'm not sure if this will be explained on Tuesday, as it doesn't seem that Barr will talk about his own decision.
However, we should know a lot about Mueller's decision.
Hayes: Well, Harry Liteman and Carol Lin, thank you both for joining me.
My next guest is sitting on the Senate committee, directly overseeing the Department of Justice, a member of the Senate Judicial Committee, and Democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal.
You know, an e-
Senator, the mail was sent out today, and I think it's interesting after a comment by Barr.
An email was sent by RNC
Mail it out and it says the Hunter is a prey. An RNC e-
The email highlighted the spy reviews of the bar, and the hunter became the prey.
You-what do you think is meant by what happened today? SEN. BLUMENTHAL (D-CT)
: Chris, it's clear that Barrinitiative was made by himself with the word "spy" and was a dog whistle.
In fact, it's a scream at the far-right ecosystem, a false account of Trump about him being a victim rather than a criminal, and the Republican National Committee will use the clip in its ads.
It's hard to imagine how this could not be a step that Williams bar calculated because the term is so inflammatory and so rich.
No professionals will use it.
Keep in mind that Rod Rosenstein, the person authorizing these authorizations, sits next to the hall.
He relied on Rosenstein to refer to him and his four
Page summary of Miller's report.
So I think this feedback is a deliberate decision.
Hayes: you didn't exchange today with a person before your Commission, deputy attorney general nominee Jeffrey Rosen about ensuring the independence of the Justice Department, even where he was confirmed.
I want to play this game and ask what you got from that communication. Takea listen.
BLUMENTHAL: Will you promise this committee and the US Congress that you will protect the ongoing investigations in the Southern District of New York and the Eastern District of New York from any interference from the White House or disciplinary members of those US law firms?
Jeffrey Rosen, deputy attorney general nominee of the United States: So I think what I'm going to say is what I said before, I see, I think Mr. chairman
That was mentioned by chairman Graham.
The department has different functions and the functions of law enforcement investigation and prosecution need to be free from improper political influence from any source.
Including Congress and other sources.
I agree.
Will you promise that you will protect people from any attempt to interfere with an ongoing investigation, fire an American lawyer, discipline anyone in these offices, and remove anyone from those investigations, otherwise it would interfere with the investigation into the president of the United States, who was actually appointed as an unindicted co-criminal.
Number one conspirators?
Rosen: So I don't think I can do better than I said before.
I think what I said before is accurate.
You embedded some add-on that I didn't mention.
Blumenthal: Well, I didn't invent anything.
Rosen, I'm presenting the facts and the need for the independence and integrity of the Department of Justice. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: is his lawyer's work very careful?
That part of Rosen or something?
BLUMENTHAL: it gives me insufficient confidence in his backbone, his determination to fight the president of the United States.
As you said at the beginning of the show, the real problem here is law enforcement, the independence of our judicial system. And Mr.
Rosen has a long and diverse career, and that's what he said, he represents corporate clients, some in the public service sector, but none of them are prosecutors, none of them made a decision on how to defend his straight-line prosecutor.
So I am left with the impression that the Department of Justice will serve as Roy Cohen of this administration, and that the minister of justice and his deputy are more important than the representative of the United States.
Hayes: Senator Richard Blumenthal of the Senate Judiciary Committee, thank you very much for your time.
BLUMENTHAL: Thank you.
Hayes: Tonight, House Democrats are asking for breaking news of the president's tax return.
Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin is not in a hurry to comply with the law.
About an hour ago, he told the family ways and methods committee tonight that the Treasury Department will not complete the president's tax return for the past six years by today's deadline.
Mnuchin told Democrats that he was still consulting the Justice Department on a task he called unprecedented. He added that this raised the constitutional rights of American citizens regarding the constitutional scope of the congressional investigative body, the alleged legislative purpose.
The legal impact of this request may affect the protection of all Americans from politically motivated disclosure of personal tax information, regardless of the power and authority.
Now join me in the Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist David kejohnstone, who has been covering Trump's taxes for years and has released 2005 federal tax returns from the President in DCReport
The new website he created.
David, what do you think of the Mnuchin response?
David Kay Johnston, founder of DCREPORT.
Well, that's exactly what we expect and it's totally wrong.
The law here is very clear, and the reason that Ritchie Neil made the request for return is entirely within the supervisory function of Congress.
I think we should see this as part of what Donald Trump said today.
He said there was an attempted coup.
Well, there is no attempted coup in this country, this is Donald Trump's.
He will be on the heels of law enforcement.
He has to get the people who are loyal to him, Jim Comey will not give him something so that he can be roughly treated in law and he can run away from responsibility, and impose his personal will anywhere in this government.
Hayes: One interesting thing happened here is that the president is very clear that he will not say it out and will conduct an audit.
The audit was not mentioned in the Mnuchin letter.
What do you think?
Johnston: First, there is no evidence of an audit.
Trumpwon will not even provide-an audit notice for painkillers, which may be that he has obtained a gift tax return for a gift or for his grandson.
So first, there's no reason to think there's anything there.
But the regulations have nothing to do with auditing.
Once you have signed the tax return under penalty of perjury, you cannot change it.
You must accept the agreement you signed.
Donald Trump, you 've lost a civil tax fraud trial twice, and he admits it's sales tax fraud, the New York Times late last century showed that he was involved in a lot of tax fraud that he had serious problems checking outside the IRS.
That is why he is so eager to hide.
Chris, he is trying to extend his violations to the government and to all of us, and our freedom is at serious risk here.
Hayes: the chairman or on behalf of Neil made a diplomatic statement concluding that I will determine the appropriate response commissioner in consultation with the consultant in the coming days.
I think it was because he was preparing for the lawsuit.
There are other things that are a bit ridiculous about this whole thing.
Mulvaney has said you will never see taxes.
We all know the government's position.
When we all know what consultation is, Mnuchin is actually pretending to consult.
Johnston: Well, they tried to delay, fabricate and mislead the public.
Millions of Americans you know think Donald Trump is under siege from all sorts of terrible people who have good reason to feel uneasy and worried, because we don't bring terrible things to our economy, almost enough attention to those who are highly educated or work in factories.
But their policy here is to mislead and confuse the public, to make them angry, slow, subtle but vital to the problems of our country, and that's all they're trying to do here.
Rich Neil, who knows economics, is a former high school economics teacher who is very wise and cautious because he wants to be able to get who they got before the first federal judge question, nothing on his case.
Hayes: Legendary tax reporter David Kay Johnston, thank you very much.
The next House Democrats will face executives at pharmaceutical companies who fear that the price of insulin will soar as Americans ration drugs to sustain their lives. Don`t go away. (
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Male: 26 years old
Older people shouldn't die because they don't have insulin, but without insurance, Alex Smith can't afford $1,300 to control his diabetes, so he's trying to ration his insulin.
An empty bottle was found near his body. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: across the country, more than 7 million people with diabetes rely on insulin to survive, and many have taken desperate measures to get their lives --
Medicine was saved due to soaring costs.
Some even go to Mexico to buy insulin at a much lower cost than in the United States. S. U. S.
From 2012 to 2016, the cost of insulin per patient almost doubled, with an average annual cost of more than $5,700.
Some pay a lot more, and many who rely on the drug report that prices have risen sharply over the past two years.
One out of four patients said they were taking insulin because of the high cost.
It was a serious crisis, and despite the noble promises made by Donald Trump, he made some changes.
Meanwhile, House Republicans actually warn pharmaceutical companies not to work with House Democrats
Leading investigation into the United StatesS.
The highest drug price in the world.
It is against this backdrop that Democrats on the House supervisory and investigative subcommittee held a second hearing today to discuss the rise in insulin costs for three US executivesS.
Manufacturers of insulin, the country's three largest pharmaceutical companies, benefit managers.
The committee chair is Diana Degert, a Democrat from Colorado, who is now going to share with me what she has learned.
What did you learn at the hearing today? REP. DIANA DEGETTE (D-CO)
The chairman of the House supervisory and investigative subcommittee: Well, we understand that the price of insulin has been rising and that everyone in the entire supply system has a responsibility.
The list price set by the pharmaceutical company is really high.
I mean, it has doubled in the last few years, but it has tripled in the previous decade.
As a result, these prices are getting higher and higher.
But everyone in the distribution system has to cut the list price, so the pharmacy managers who negotiate with the insurance company will benefit-insurance companies will cut, insurance companies will cut, and wholesalers will cut their expenses.
Everyone has to cut prices, which is why the price of insulin is rising.
Hayes: So I really don't understand because, you know, sometimes you see the famous Martin shkley who has the right AIDS drug-it's patented and there's only one manufacturer, so he can raise the price and there are no competitors.
Insulin is a very simple thing.
It has been there since 1920.
I don't understand what mechanism there is to constrain prices here.
Insulin has been around for almost 100.
For example, one of the short-
Acting insulin Humalog, which already exists-it has been around for more than 20 years and sold for $35 in 2001 and now for more than $200 and $270.
The only reason is because of our current pricing system.
Hayes: Well, I mean, whatever is done with insulin, maybe doing other drugs as well.
Shouldn't there be some bigger solutions here?
Hayes:-or are you just forcing a drug cap like other OECD countries?
DEGETTE: one of the reasons we do insulin research is because it is indeed a case study.
It's a drug, and a lot of people like Alex, the one you pay attention to, and they need it to live.
They would have died without it.
They need it every second, every minute, every hour, every day.
So they will die if they are too expensive.
What happens is-so what happens is that there is so much pressure on the entire distribution system that the price of insulin keeps rising.
If you have an insurance plan, maybe you will get a good insurance, but if you don't have insurance, or if you are in a doughnut hole, or if insulin is not listed on your medication prescription, you're out of luck.
So that's why we need-Hayes: So, what is the solution here?
Meeting of cadres supporting women's choice: there are too many things.
Well, the transparency of the system comes first.
Second, we need to look at the regulations for the production of essential drugs such as insulin at very low base prices.
There are other things we can do as well, but the industry has to work with us.
I think the first thing we need to do is transparency.
Hayes: they're not going to work with you because they're making a lot of money out of it and they're going to donate to everyone's vault in CapitolHill.
If they don't work with us, then let him do it.
I mean, one of the things that impressed me at today's hearing is that our two parties have reached huge agreements on how serious this issue is and what we need to do. I`m the co-
The chair of the Diabetes Caucus attended the meeting with Republican Congressman Tom Reid.
We did our own investigation last year.
We present a study in which we propose some legislative amendments.
I'm sure the Republicans are going to work with us on this because it's just-you know, our constituents-I have a woman in Denver, Colorado, and she said she did three jobs, it costs $760 a month for insulin.
She has been hospitalized four times because she can't control her diabetes.
Hayes: Well, you need to buy a product to sustain life, it's not a normal market product anyway, and I don't think we should treat it that way.
This is correct.
Hayes: Diana Degert, Congressman, thank you for your time tonight.
The upcoming Republican congressional denial of climate leaves John Kerry speechless.
We will exchange with you next time. (
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Hayes: less than two weeks ago, we had a special discussion with Congressman Alexander okasio on the new green agreement. Cortez.
The Democratic Party has a heated debate on how to deal with climate change.
But on the other side of the aisle, there is only a surprising degree of malice, trolling and total stupidity.
One of the most watched exchanges at the House Oversight hearing yesterday was between former Secretary of State John Kerry and Congressman Thomas Messi of Kentucky, letting me know clearly that he is a smart man.
He holds a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering and a master's degree in mechanical engineering from MIT.
According to his alma mater, "Messi's most famous invention, Phantom, is a tactile computer interface that allows users to feel physical objects in cyberspace. ”Pretty cool.
He personally transformed the Tesla car battery to fuel his all-solar home.
In the wrong information environment, he is also an object course on what happens to smart people. (
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Thomas MessiR)
Secretary Kerry, I want to read your statement to you.
The president may not want to hold a kangaroo court, but rather want to talk to an educated adult he once trusted to fill his highest national security position.
"It sounds like you're questioning the credentials of the presidential adviser now.
But I don't think we should question your qualifications today.
Isn't it true that you have a science degree from Yale? What`s that?
Kerry: Bachelor of Arts.
Is this political science?
Yes, political science.
Messi: How did you get a bachelor's degree in science?
KERRY: Well, it's liberal arts education and degree.
A bachelor.
Okay, so it's not really science.
So, I think it would be appropriate for someone with a degree in pseudoscience today to push forward pseudoscience in front of our committee.
I want to ask you . . . . . . Are you serious?
I mean, is this really happening here?
Messi: You know, it's serious that you call the president kangaroo court, right?
Kerry: I'm not calling his cabinet a kangaroo court. I'm calling this committee a kangaroo committee.
Are you saying that he is not an educated adult now?
I don't know who it is yet, because it is a secret.
Messi: Well, what you said in your testimony.
Kerry: why is he secretly analyzing climate change?
Messi: Let's go back to its science.
But this is not science.
You don't quote science.
You are an expert in science.
You got a degree in political science.
Look, let me ask you, what is the consensus about the millions of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
Kerry: 406,406 today. MASSEY: 406.
Kerry: 350 is what scientists call dangerous levels.
Okay, you know what-350 is dangerous?
Wow, you know, the average number of mammals has exceeded 1,000 since they walked on Earth.
Yes, but we are not walking on earth.
Let me share with you that we now know that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has never been as high as it is today for at least 800,000 years.
Messi: The reason you chose 800,000 years ago was because in the 200 million years before that, it was bigger than today.
I want to put it on the record.
Yes, but no one.
I mean, it's a different world.
We don't have 7 billion people.
Messi: So, if we humans are there, how does it reach 2,000 per billion?
Kerry: because of all kinds of geological events on Earth, these events continue to break out . . . . . . Messi: Did the geology stop when we got on Earth? KERRY: Mr.
Chair, I-this is not a serious conversation.
Your testimony is not serious. I agree. (END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: Oh, man.
I would be happy to talk to Congressman Thomas Messi on this show about why 1,000 carbon per million might not be very good for humans on this planet.
Congressman, this is an open invitation if you like.
I am not a scientist, but I will give it a try.
Nevertheless, Nielsen remains the voice of the Trump administration's child separation policy.
Her allies are now working to restore her reputation.
We will discuss it.
In addition, the first thing tonight, the second thing starts next.
The first thing, the second thing starts.
Business break).
Hayes: The first thing tonight is that with the Democrats taking control of the house, this is a new era in Congress, which means the hearings are getting more interesting.
Today, the Financial Services Committee, chaired by Maxine Waters, invited a list of the country's seven largest banks to question.
Well, listen to what's going on. (
Start Video Editing)REP. AL GREEN, (D)
I think the seven of you have something in common.
How are you white.
I probably got it wrong.
Ifamong you happen to be someone other than a white male, can you reach out a hand to the air?
Please let the record reflect there is no hand in the air and the panel is made up of white people.
This is not derogatory.
To some extent, you are aware of diversity.
If you think your likely successor will be a woman or a person of color, would you be friendly enough to reach out to the air? (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: no hands.
Then the bankers had to face Katie Porter, a California-based lawmaker, who had proved she was not afraid to challenge Wall Street.
Let's say Jamie Dimon has had some problems with her problems, especially with numbers.
It's the second one in 60 seconds. (
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Hayes: California's new congressman Katie Porter wrote a textbook on the consumer law.
Therefore, it is no surprise that she is preparing to interview JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon on the mountain today.
She used a real work list at one of her banks to provide a cashier with $16.
For 50 hours, ask Dimon how a single mother can meet endsmeet on her salary. (
Start Video Editing)REP. KATIE PORTER, (D)
She has $2,245 a month.
She rented a one-bedroom apartment.
She slept with her daughter in a room in California Bay.
The average price of one bedroom apartment is $1,600.
She spent $100 on utilities.
Taking $1,700, she made a net profit of $725.
Like me, she drove a 2008-inch minivan with gas.
$400 for a car and gasoline, $325 Net.
The Ministry of Agriculture says the low-cost food budget, which is ramen, is $400 for low food and her $77 is red.
She has a cricket phone, the cheapest phone she bought for $40.
Her monthly salary is 117 yuan.
Because the bank is open during normal business hours, she has to take care of her children.
$450 a month, which brought her down to $567 a month.
I want to ask you a question.
Dimon, how should she manage a budget shortfall while she is fully working
Time in your bank?
Jamie Dimon, CEO of JPMORGANCHASE: I don't know if all your numbers are accurate.
This number is a beginning, usually a beginning.
She is a fledgling employee. She has a 6-year-old child.
You get these jobs from high school and one day she might get my job.
She might. But Mr.
Dimon, she can't afford to spend your $31 million right now.
She's missing $567. what do you suggest she do?
Dimon: I don't know. I have to think about it.
Potter: would you advise her to take out the credit card for JPMorgan Chase and then run a deficit?
Dimon: I don't know.
I have to think about it.
Porter: would you advise her to overdraw and charge a handling fee at your bank?
Dimon: I don't know.
I have to think about it.
Potter: So, I know you have a lot . . . . . . Dimon: I 'd love to call her and talk about her finances and see if we can help.
Porter: See if you can find a way of life that is lower than the minimum standard of living I described?
Dimon: just help.
Potter: Well, I appreciate your willingness to help, but I hope you can provide a break-even way for the family. (END VIDEO CLIP)(
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Hayes: today is Nelson's last day as secretary of homeland security.
As Politico says, Nelson and her supporters are already working on a rehabilitation program that makes her the driver of the president's most controversial immigration policy, but more extreme action barrier.
Yes, but things can get really bad for me.
I'm in there to curb the president's worst impulse, which is a good thing because it's sad.
Not only did Nelson sign an agreement on the separation of children, but he also signed an agreement knowing what it would do, because she herself had reservations about it if she wanted to believe in the report.
Then she went out, not only implemented, but lied to the American people over and over again.
She lied to us in the first place. (
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Kirstjen nielsen, Secretary of Homeland Security: children are not used as pawns.
We are trying to protect children and that is why I am asking Congress to act. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: she lied it was a deterrent.
She tried to convince us all that what happened before us did not happen before us.
Then, when someone challenges her above, she becomes mean, defensive, condescending and angry. (
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Unidentified male: are you going to take it out and play while it's playing?
Are you going to separate your parents from your children?
Are you going to send a message?
Nelson: I think it's offensive. No.
Because why did I create Apollo like this on purpose?
Could it be a deterrent? NIELSEN: No.
This is-the way it works . . . . . . Unidentified male: You say it's a deterrent, isn't it?
Nison: that's not the question you asked me. (END VIDEO CLIP)
No one asked her to do so.
She could have walked away and resigned in the protest, but she chose to stay and do it all.
So it's her responsibility if her reputation is destroyed.
She did this.
She has grown up and now she has to go out.
The question is how will the world receive her?
This is indeed an open question.
Because we have been through George W.
In the Bush administration, people like John Yoo wrote a legal memorandum that would help the United States. S.
Torture is a war crime.
In a memorandum, John Yoomote said that certain types of torture were not in fact considered torture.
He gave it to Jay byby, who signed it, and then our country tortured people.
According to the Senate Central Intelligence Agency's torture report, waterboarding is a series of near-drowning, a week-long lack of sleep, unnecessary re-eating and death threats.
Bybee and Yoo are notorious for their propaganda of torture, but guess where they are now.
John Yoo has a good tenure professor at Berkeley law school.
Torturous architect John Yoo crossed the drum ring on his way to class. And Jay Bybee?
What happened to him?
Oh, he's a federal judge for life.
No avoidance.
They did not pay for their complicity in war crimes.
The question now is whether Nielsen will pay a reputation, social and professional price for taking thousands of children from their parents' arms without planning to follow them and reunite them, impose this cruelty and trauma on thousands of innocent children?
Or will everyone in Washington welcome her back with open arms as she is doing her best?
Now, to make it clear, I don't think she should have been questioned in the everyMexican restaurant she went to for the rest of her life, but she should have faced some sanctions, condemnation, because if elite agencies and American companies just welcome her back, then just like I'm not quite sure we're not going to torture her any more, I'm not sure we're going to take the baby from the mother's arms any more. (
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Hayes: there are people who are actively working to make sure KirstjenNielsen doesn't have the opportunity to restore her image.
For example, on the day she resigned, a professor at George Washington University drafted a similar report to ensure that she would not benefit from some sort of softening in the Washington intellectual community, citing, "If she gets a position in a think tank, University Center or similar institution, I will not be involved and will not connect myself in any reasonable way to provide positive support to the institution.
A senior researcher at the liberal Cato Institute, who signed the letter, said, "If someone had kept the child in a cage as a hobby, they would have been seen by everyone as a damn outcast
If you take it as a profession, you can expect a chair at Kennedy School.
I don't want to continue playing this play.
"To talk more about what Nielsen might look like as a possible bounce, I am with Norm Ornstein, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, a special editor for Atlantic;
AndWajahat Ali, op-Contributing Editor
Editor of The New York Times.
You 've been in Washington for a while.
You are in the circle of think tanks.
What do you think of the idea and what do you think of some kind of moral behavior of a public official?
Norm ornstein of the American Institute of Business: So, Chris, I believe in a decade of society.
You said acceptable behavior corridor.
There should be a broad sense of shame when people go out of the corridor, they should not be legalized, and they should not become complete again.
We have seen this happen over and over again in this government.
Lewd, Sean Spicer, lying person or someone who does bad things-Steve Bannon either gets (inaudible)
Perform regularly at the Harvard School of Politics and/or get the primetelevision show.
The usual excuse when they get on these shows is, well, they have a point that we should listen.
We need to hear from people who have these views that they are legitimate.
Like blinking and nodding.
Oh, they're just a little different from all the people who have experienced here.
For me, this should be morally condemned.
Hayes: well, play the face of the devil in this argument, because I think you agree, Waj, I mean, there's an argument that says, look, if everyone starts to control everyone's politics, especially the government they serve, civil society will collapse and people will not talk to each other or go to university events, nor will it sit on the panel, all of which are the glue that makes things work.
What do you think of this argument?
The New York Times wajahat ali: Yes, society will also collapse if you celebrate a person who keeps babies in cages.
If you let them fail with a relaxed six points
In the corporate world of the United States, with the footsteps of Sean Spicer and Corey Levandowski, they got a great salary at Harvard Kennedy School of Government-let's call Harvard Kennedy in a second like the lowest bar in all the universities on Earth.
It's like a side door to all the failed Trump administration members, right.
You know, if you celebrate a person holding their babies in cages, giving them a performance of a speech, a book deal, getting them to replace Megan McCain in five years, society will fail as well.
Society fails because it shows to society that if you keep the baby in a cage and we don't care, you get paid off because that's the revolving door of D. C. politics.
So guys, come on now, I grab my back, I grab your back.
Instead, what should happen is that she should be humiliated, ridiculed and uncomfortable for as long as possible until Chris, who really apologizes for it and is involved in recovery.
This requires active work.
Hayes: Yes, I think it's a good point of view, the norm, where, with respect to that idea, the idea here is that you have to be asked to explain what you're doing, right?
There must be some open liquidation, not just what happened in the past.
This is not a good idea.
But, it's just that the idea of social condemnation extends all the way to what you say you 've done, that you're forthright and honest and show some remorse for what you 've done.
ORNSTEIN: It's also important that you don't regulate abnormal behavior.
As you have pointed out, for Kirstjen Nielsen, she has not only followed the policy of separation of children, even if her friends and supporters think she is not as much as they want her to do, not only did she lie to the American public, she also lied to Congress and repeatedly lied. HAYES: Yep.
ORNSTEIN: she released the ice people and others in the field of family and security, did something that abused them and had no boundaries around them.
You know, I believe that Daniel Patrick Moynihan is very strong in defining deviations, and if we let something like this slide down and treat them as normal, then next time it gets worse, it got worse after that.
Hayes: It's also interesting, and Maggie habemman said that, and I think it's interesting because, according to this report, it's obviously playing in her mind.
Someone close to her said that she didn't leave early for one reason, perhaps more than one reason, and she realized how bad life would be outside after defending his policy for a long time.
That is to say, she knows what she is doing. ALI: Exactly.
You know whose life is bad, the kids kidnapped by the US government.
Again, I was kidnapped.
Hayes: I should have noticed that dozens of people are still not reunited.
Yes, thousands of children who are not reunited.
So, she will fail if you want, and she will live in a gilded prison.
She will have a lovely girl over 6 years oldfigure salary.
Yes, she will be ashamed, yes, someone will go in a Mexican restaurant, Hey, aren't you the one who keeps the Mexican baby in a cage?
Then she will complain about Fox News, and Tucker Carlson will say, look at these politically evil demons that laugh at Kirstjen Nielsen on the left.
I just want to say that I hope every appointment by Kirstjen Nielsen is as uncomfortable as possible before she apologizes.
So, you know, she's not going to be bad.
Her life will be good. She`ll fail up. George W.
By the way, Bush is now considered an eccentric painter who drew a picture for Michelle Obama.
So this is D. C. works.
But that's not how it should work, according to Norm wassaying, because Chris, there must be punishment.
There must be certain social punishment so that good behavior can move forward.
Some people in the Trump administration may say, you know, I'm not going to compromise on my morals and values.
Acting attorney general, I may do what SallyYates do, I will resist, or I will do it with chuck Rosenberg and I will fail with dignity.
HAYES: OK, Norm Ornstein and Wajahat Ali. thank you for joining us.
It's here tonight.
The Rachel Mado show starts right away.
Good evening, Rachel.
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