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Chris Hayes, MSNBC anchor: "All In" tonight ".
S. Secretary of State John KerryN.
ITED pointed out that friends need to tell each other some cruel facts.
Hayes: a stern warning from the United States. A.
As President of Israel
The election entered competition too early.
Tonight, debate the role of the United States in Israel and why Donald Trump officially left the fence.
President Donald TrumpELECT OF THE U. N.
Let me be a neutral person. HAYES: Plus.
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Hayes: good evening in New York.
I'm Chris Hayes.
In 23 days, Donald Trump will become president of the United States.
Today, after the United Nations passed a non-binding resolution calling on Israel to stop building settlements in Palestinian territory, Trump, at the request of the Israeli government, tried to kill a resolution, trump appeared in front of reporters in March. a-
At the Largo resort in Florida, he seems to suggest that he can take the U. S. out of the U. N.
If not, "live up to its potential at all ". (
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Woman: Sir. President-
Elect, you have been criticizing the United States. N. lately.
Do you want the United States to leave the United States? N. ?
Are you thinking about moving? TRUMP: The U. N.
There is such a huge potential, but it has not played its potential.
There is such a huge potential, but it is not realized.
When do you think the United Nations will solve the problem? They don`t.
They cause problems.
So it would be great if it could reach its potential.
If not, it would be a waste of time and money. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: This morning, Trump criticized President Obama for blocking his transition with inflammatory words and deeds.
In this speech, Trump said in a very different tone that he spoke to the president on the phone today.
Their conversation was "very, very good ".
Meanwhile, as the Obama era draws to a close, outgoing Secretary of State John Kerry delivered a striking speech in Washington today, accusing Israel with inappropriate wording.
Kerry said Israel's policies undermine its commitment to bilateral relations.
Reach a national solution with the Palestinians. (
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Kerry: public support from Israeli Prime Minister
But his current alliance is the most correct.
The most extreme factor-driven agenda in Israel's history.
As a result, this government's policy is moving in the opposite direction, and the prime minister himself has just described it as more committed to settlements than any government in Israel's history.
They are heading to a state. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: Kerry's speech is equivalent to announcing that if two people
The National solution is dead, it's the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanya, not the Obama administration that killed it. (
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Kerry: friends need to tell each other the cruel facts.
Friendship needs mutual respect.
Despite our best efforts over the years,
The National solution is now in serious danger. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Shanghai: there is no doubt that Mr. Kerry's comments sparked an angry response from Netanya, who severely criticized the Obama administration, which finalized an agreement in September, to provide Israel with a record $38 billion military in 10 years. (
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Benjamin Netanya, Israel's current Prime Minister: I must express my deep disappointment at John Kerry's speech today, which is almost counter-productive
Resolution adopted by Israel in the United StatesN. last week. (END VIDEO CLIP)HAYES: The U. S.
The resolution abstained from voting and refused to use the veto to prevent it.
The Israeli government then accused the Obama administration of plotting the resolution, which Kerry strongly denied today.
The Israelis also made it clear that "Obama is history, we have Trump," in the words of the Israeli culture minister ".
Today, "President-
Elected Trump, thank you for your warm, friendly and clear-
Reduce support for Israel . "C.
Two children of Trump.
Support is not always so clearcut.
As early as February, Donald Trump had vowed on MSNBC to remain neutral in the Middle East conflict. (
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Joe Scarborough, MSNBC anchor: but whose fault do you think this is --. (CROSSTALK)
Trump: I don't want to be involved, you know.
Israeli or Palestinian?
Trump: Joe, I don't want to get stuck for a different reason, because if I win, you know, there must be some surprises, unpredictable.
Yes, there is no Scarborough in our country.
Trump: unpredictable.
Let me be a neutral person and let's take a look-I'm going to give it a try.
That would be great.
I would be very proud if I could do that. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: Trump has not given up his neutral position.
He no longer seemed so worried about unexpected things.
Trump said on Twitter today, "We cannot continue to treat Israel with such contempt and disrespect.
They once had a good friend in the United States. S.
But not now.
The beginning of the end is the terrible Iran agreement, now, the United StatesN. !
Stay strong Israel, January 20 is coming.
"Now with me, California Democratic Congressman Brad Sherman, members of the House Foreign Relations Committee, and members of Congress, are you on the Trump side? REP. BRAD SHERMAN (D)
California: I don't think so.
I think he appointed David Friedman as the next ambassador to Israel.
He's really the first step.
In our efforts to achieve two goalsstate solution.
I think Obama is very close.
President of Israel.
The resolution is not much different from the one adopted with the acquiescence of Reagan, Carter and others.
Of course, as you mentioned, you 've got Israel's biggest military aid plan ever, negotiated by the Obama administration.
Hayes: Do you agree with the government's decision to abstain from that vote?
I think this is a mistake.
I think he's -. HAYES: Wait.
So? Wait a minute.
You just said it basically reiterated the long-standing position of the United States. S. policy.
If so, why is it a mistake to abstain?
Sherman: Well, over the years, mainly in the Obama era, we stopped America. N.
As a result of the adoption of an unbalanced resolution, the resolution focused on resolving the problem as if it were a major obstacle to peace.
The main obstacle to peace is not only terrorism from the Palestinian side, but their positions are sometimes disguised under slogan 2 --
Their claim is that the national solution is like the right to return. HAYES: Right.
Sherman: they use the term "right of return" to come up with a position to really look at the issue, which requires the removal of all or almost all Jews from the Middle East.
This is therefore the extreme position of not only Hamas but also the Palestinian state.
Hayes: But you have only one question, Congressman.
It seems to be confused today.
There are two different questions.
There is one problem. The expansion of settlements is two obstacles --
Is the national solution an obstacle to peace?
This is a problem.
Another question is, is it reasonable to expand the settlement?
Forget if this is an obstacle to peace.
Maybe you are right, the real obstacle lies in Palestinian extremism, but on the question of whether it is reasonable, you agree with the president of the United States, the secretary of state, the United States for a long timeS.
The right policy is not justified, right?
I don't agree with every settlement.
I don't agree with everything else has done.
You can argue that this solution is wrong.
The Israeli Supreme Court has called for the abolition and destruction of certain outposts.
But this is not the main problem.
The main problems are terrorism, incitement to terrorism, and teaching of terrorism.
So what's your question? Let me ask you this question.
So, what position do you take on the Israeli government's allegations?
Is the charge serious?
Ambassador Ron Dermer has done that.
Not only the United States,S.
The government colluded with the American people. N.
The Security Council will adopt the resolution, but John Kerry and the government are now lying about doing so.
Do you agree with them that John Kerry is lying and the government is lying?
Sherman: The Secretary of State's speech certainly did not deny discussions with supporters of the resolution, which, if not, would be worse.
However, whoever drafted the resolution, and whether or not there was an American diplomat sitting next to them, he knew what the Obama administration's position was and how to draft it, so that it will not be rejected in the case of this lame duck.
If the author of the resolution did not take into account Obama's belief in consideration, it would be a worse resolution.
It may be so bad that it will be rejected and then maybe there will be a better result.
But it is clear that the authors of the resolution are aware of what Obama thinks.
Hayes: Do you have hope now?
I mean you basically-you think the Minister of Culture of Israel basically says "good --
President Obama, we have Trump now "?
The Israeli prime minister will interact with the president-
Elected President, lobbying him to stand up against this.
Is it a proper thing to be elected president?
What do you choose to do during the transition?
We do have the First Amendment, even the president.
Elect was allowed to give their opinion.
So this is for sure.
Hayes: The First Amendment does not involve suitability. SHERMAN: Right.
I think the whole country has become more partisan and the rules of suitability have eroded and continue to erode.
So I think it would be more appropriate if President Trump only focused on forming his new team rather than trying to implement public policy during this transitional period.
It will be more in line with the traditions of the country, but at the same time, as the country becomes more partisan, I see all the traditions wear and tear.
Hayes: Okay.
Senator Brad Sherman, thank you for your time tonight.
Happy Holidays, happy festival of light.
It's a pleasure to be with you.
Hayes: Okay.
Join me as a human rights lawyer, Nura elacat, assistant professor at George Mason University.
How did you react to Kerry's speech today?
Nura elacat, a human rights lawyer: I think it's amazing.
I didn't expect him to say it.
That's what I think America is. S.
This government has thought about it.
I think this is what every American thought after they closed their doors and built their cars. S.
Until this point.
It is worth noting that they also basically made this clear to everyone and admitted it subjectively.
The problem, however, is here.
The Obama administration basically shared the speech 23 days before his term.
They can't do almost anything now in order to make it meaningful with political pressure.
Hayes: how do you like the timing?
Because I think there are a lot of minds
Seize this opportunity.
These two kinds of things have a headache problem in the time of rapid continuous occurrence.
Basically, critics of the Obama administration say you're a coward and you make sure you sign a aid deal in the campaign
Before the election, because you know that the lame duck conference will be politically popular after the election, you allow this to be submitted to the Security Council and addressed.
What did you read in time?
You see, the Obama administration is very pragmatic.
They didn't do it for moral reasons.
They do this because it's not expensive, and because the Obama administration is interested in being out of touch with what's coming.
The Trump administration will consolidate Israel's apartheid program, consolidate it, and accelerate it in a reckless manner, and the Obama administration has laid the foundation for the achievement of this project.
It organic will in 2012 2011 of the founding of bidding in do this a little.
It had the opportunity to do so in 2015, setting a timetable for ending the occupation.
It has the opportunity not to increase military aid from $3. 0 to $3.
8 billion in the next 10 years.
Everything the Obama administration has done has laid the foundation for what Trump wants to do, so it's an effort to wash his hands and change their legacy that has nothing to do with Trump right away.
I ask you this question.
You mentioned the apartheid plan in Israel.
I mean, one of the speeches that I think of today, John Kerry, I think he disagrees very strongly with the language, that is basically it's on a certain path, Israel, given the current increase in settlements
National solutions can no longer be realized.
In my opinion, this is a kind of Dawn consciousness.
I have to say, you know, what I 've read about you, the other people in this Palestinian rights group, and it seems to me that the people I 've read have basically given up these twostate solution.
Are we heading towards such a moment when people just formally throw in the towel at this point?
ERAKAT: I think this is a good time to study for the United States. S.
An audience looking at the map.
If you can't get to the area, many people can't, because Israel refuses those who are not interested in human rights to enter, this is a great time to show the map and let people decide for themselves.
The occupied territories account for 22% per cent of the Palestinian territory.
Israel has never declared its borders and expanded them.
The settlements we are talking about are not part of expanding Israel's defensive borders around the West Bank.
The settlement was built in the middle.
They split the West Bank in two. They –.
No, I understand.
But, let me say, you quote the facts on the ground, and that's what's being cited-ERAKAT: Chris, that speaks to the problem in itself.
That's what you said. -Hayes: of course. (CROSSTALK)
Hayes: what you're saying is-I mean, what you're not saying is, yes, I do think the ship sailed two --state solution.
It seems to me that it's just ERAKAT: but-no, it's not that it's not said.
I just wanted to explain for those of you who haven't seen it yet that the ship had sailed long ago.
The idea that we are going to fall into apartheid with this threat is actually incorrect because we are already there.
We went there.
Settlers and Palestinians are inseparable and they are not separated.
They have a large population.
The only difference they make is the huge difference in treatment that applies to the different laws of Jewish Israelis and Palestinians, even if they live side by side. HAYES: Right.
This is the reality of apartheid.
Hayes: So what do you think is going on in America? S.
Is it OK at this point?
I mean, it seems to me, from your point of view, that this is an increase in the contradiction of Leninism.
I mean, if your position is basically the government of Israel and the government of the United StatesS.
The government says they're two.
National solutions, they are not true, basically the whole thing is a big one-it's a malicious farce when things change, what you get now looks more like an honest thing, you know, we will support Israel no matter what they do, we support settlements?
ERAKAT: I think, unfortunately, the United States talked about a thing about law and policy and their support for the Palestinian state, but did a completely different thing on the ground, and make.
Really, it should make everyone feel very strange and strange because there is such a noise and reaction to the condemnation of settlements.
The settlement is a colony of settlers.
They are war crimes under international law.
This should not be controversial.
If you do not object to the settlement, then you clearly support apartheid.
The question we should ask is not whether you approve of it, but what do you do when it is on the ground, except for the reality of apartheid?
So what are you going to do?
Hayes: Nura elacat, thank you for being with me. Appreciate it.
ERAKAT: Thank you.
Hayes: Matt Duz, president of the Middle East Peace Foundation, is with me now.
Matt, I want you to understand a remarkable trajectory of Trump here, which I think is appreciated.
Some factions within the Republican Party --
The conservative Alliance that first sold cotton to Trump was the kind of ancient conservatives, the kind of Pat Buchanan's blood, which was skeptical about the trade deal, it is skeptical about the war in Iraq and foreign wars. it hates and hates neo-conservatives, sometimes with a bit of opposition.
Jewish influence and Zionist skepticism about Republican foreign policyline pro-
Israel's position on the Republican Party.
This seems to be the place where things start, and they're over now-far from it.
How do you explain? MATT DUSS, FOU. N.
Middle East Peace Foundation: Well, I think it's worth noting.
I mean, you're right, where did Trump previously play the clip about where Trump claimed he wanted to be a neutral person, and he wanted to do it.
He said it early in the primary.
I do think it is very noteworthy that when he says this, it is considered to be an evil saying against the Republican position that he will remain neutral and not take sides, not only did he continue to win the Republican primary, but he also won the Christian evangelists, who are considered the closest
Israeli voters within the Republican Party.
So I feel-you know, let's put it aside for the time being, although I think it says there is more political space on these issues than many think.
I think at the end of the day when he finally came here to deliver his important speech in the Asia-Pacific region, he seemed to have taken some more traditional, very right approach --wing pro-
Position of Israel
Now we see that with Friedman, the nomination of the Ambassador of Israel, he seems to have been completely
I mean, even on the right side of Netanyahu.
Hayes: as far as the league is concerned, what fascinates me is some voices, people like Bill cristor or Jennifer Rubin, and some of the people in podehorez, the person on the right is very critical of Trump, who has formed a real core that has never been formed --
Trump universe, they are now in complete agreement with him on this specific issue.
Through his opposition performance on this issue, an interesting coalition management emerged. DUSS: Right.
No, I think that's a good point because, you know, he's on the Israeli issue, but, he's still very strong criticism of the other series of positions.
He was critical of the war in Iraq. HAYES: Right.
He is critical of state building.
He is hugging C. C.
He seems to have completely abandoned the idea of promoting democracy sold in part in the war in Iraq.
So it looks-so, for a lot of people in this faction, as long as you're right in terms of supporting Israel, then we can put everything else aside.
Hayes: You think-I would like to ask a question I asked Nura, which seems to float in the air and is a subtext of concern.
I mean, can you imagine the Trump administration saying, "Yes, we don't-it's not the US anymoreS.
We are against the policy of expanding settlements, and we no longer believe that these two
Make the solution your preferred goal.
"Can you imagine the US government saying that?
DUSS: I can't imagine just because, you know, personally, I don't know the policy-making that would exist in the Trump administration because he knows how he chooses to make various decisions.
But one thing I want to point out here.
You know, I mentioned Friedman's nomination, and Friedman was very supportive.
Settlement rights-
You know, the right wing in Israel.
But Mattis was also nominated as defense minister.
Former CentCom head General Mattis James Mattis said in a specific interview that I think this is 2013, in which he talked about his experience as president of the United StatesS.
Middle East Central Command to understand the negative impact of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict on the United StatesS.
Supporting regional interests in Secretary Kerry's negotiation process is a very realistic analysis of the conflict that undermines American interestsS.
Regional relations.
I would love to know how this conversation will take place-Hayes: Yes.
DUSS:-What impact will this have.
Hayes: that's very good.
Thank you for coming tonight.
I appreciate it.
DUSS: Thank you.
Hayes: not long ago, Donald Trump started from Marcha-
Largo of Don King
He began to answer a few questions from reporters, which is the closest thing we 've seen from the president to the press conference --
Here, it will be elected in a few months. (
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Hello everyone, how are you?
You all know Don King.
Woman: of course.
Who doesn't know Tang Jin?
Don King, American boxing promoter: Yes, it's great to be American.
Now, with our leaders, we will have a new day to make America great again.
Unidentified male: Is your Israeli flag a message to the president? KING: Pardon.
Unidentified male: Is your Israeli flag a message for Obama?
King: You know, the Israeli flag is about peace in the Middle East. Shimon Peres (inaudible)
Ambassador for Peace
So we want everyone to come together like you think (ph)
Let things happen.
He is the leader who can achieve this goal.
How are you?
Is everything okay?
Man: Yes, sir.
TRUMP: Go ahead.
Unidentified women: do we want to know what further comments you have on Kerry's speech? (CROSSTALK)
Trump: Yes, it speaks for itself.
But he said that friends need to like to straighten out their friends, which is one of the things.
Trump: We have different views. we have to have peace.
I think it's back.
But we'll see what happens after January 20, right?
I think you will impress me.
Man: Sir. President-Elect. (CROSSTALK)
Unidentified woman: 5,000 jobs you announced today are part of 50,000-TRUMP: No(CROSSTALK)
Trump: Sprint will give you extra (inaudible)
Because of me, they did 5,000 jobs in this country.
They just released a press release. Hope has it. You`ll see it.
That's it.
They're doing it too-Masa is doing 3,000 jobs with a network, as you know.
Unidentified women: So these 5,000 jobs. (CROSSTSALK)
Trump: Sprint 5,000. No, no.
Unidentified women: Aren't they part of 50,000?
I will give you their statement.
Man: Sir. President-
The elected, there was a lawsuit in which reporters tried to get a record of what Congress thought Russia was intervening in the election.
Do you think there is any record of Russian intervention?
Trump: I think what they should do is try their best to figure things out. (CROSSTALK)
Unidentified male: Sir, do you think there should be a public option for the record to get health care in the United States?
TRUMP: Well, I have the greatest people on the third floor today, the Cleveland Clinic, the Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, the best people on the third floor, they are amazing, they have some very good ideas.
We have to fix it.
I have been saying that we will take care of our vet and we will take care of our vet.
So I have three of the greatest people in the world.
If you look at these institutions, I think you will all agree.
They were in a room with me and some others and we were working on doing something for the veterans because they were treated very, very unfairly. (CROSSTALK)
TRUMP: Well, I don't want to see veterans waiting in line for two weeks, you know, in many cases they have a minor illness that takes a long time to turn it into a major illness, other than that, I don't want to see this in you.
Let's see what happens.
So if you look at my website I almost call it.
But they want to see fast service.
The doctor explained to me today some things that can be resolved quickly when you wait too long.
Life threatening.
This is what happened.
People are dying.
So we will-we will fix it correctly as we did in the past, okay?
Unidentified male: how close you are. (CROSSTALK)
Unidentified Woman: You said you want to solve New York. G.
The office says you can't do this until they complete the investigation.
What's going on here -.
Trump: Actually, I have a foundation that has given millions of dollars to people over the years.
And, you know, I think very well.
Let's see what happens.
I mean, we need to see what happens.
But it got millions of dollars. Zero expense. Zero.
I know no one has this.
But zero cost.
So the result is very good.
Unidentified male: How close are you to showing off your business plan?
Will we hear from you?
Yes, this is very routine.
To be honest, this is a very regular thing.
No big deal.
You guys have turned this into a big deal because, look, first, when I win, they're all a big deal for me all over the world.
In fact, as you know, I reported it in the federal election.
This is much bigger than anyone thought.
It's a great business but I have nothing to do with it.
I don't need it because, as you know, I don't need to do it under the law.
But I want to do that because I want to focus on this country.
But when I run, people know that my business is very big.
So I mean, they did pick me-I guess part of the reason is that they chose me.
So I think it's easy to solve.
This is actually a very simple situation.
It's not a big deal, we will have a press conference sometime in early January. (CROSSTALK)
Unidentified Woman: You talked a little more with Obama today.
Is the transition of power as smooth as you wish?
Yes, he called me. He called me.
We talked very, very well about things.
He's in Hawaii.
This is a very, very good phone call.
I think we cover a lot of areas, a lot of good areas.
Unidentified female: Are you satisfied with the transition so far?
Well, our staff get along very well.
I got along well with him.
Except for a few words.
I responded.
We talk about it and smile about it.
No one will know because we will never fight each other in this way.
But he-it was a great conversation.
Man: Sir. President-
Senator-elect Graham said today that they are working on a sanctions measure to personally pursue Putin.
Will you support it?
I don't know what he's doing.
I haven't spoken to Senator Graham. I don`t know.
I haven't spoken to him.
He's against me, you know.
I haven't spoken to him either.
You have to admit he shocked the world.
He shocked the world and there was nothing to say.
Senator Graham and I are facing each other.
I haven't spoken to him.
Unidentified male: You think sanctions are a good threat (ph)?
Trump: I think our lives will continue.
I think computers make life very complicated.
You know, the whole age of computers has made no one know exactly what's going on.
We have speed and we have a lot of other stuff, but I'm not sure if you have the security you need.
But I have not spoken to the senators, and I will certainly speak for some time.
Do you believe it, sir? (CROSSTALK)
I think you know what I believe.
I am very, very strong to Israel.
I think Israel is treated very, very unfairly by many different people.
You look at the UN resolutions, you look at what's going on, they are condemned 20 times, other countries are terrible places, terrible places, terrible people, not even reprimanded yet
So something has happened and I think it is very unfair to Israel.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
Woman: Thank you.
Man: Thank you. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: Okay.
That's President
Donald Trump holds US election with Don KingS.
The Israelis and I thought he had several other flags in his iconic denim jacket.
A man will talk to RNC until the report indicates that they told him to step on a convicted murderer in RNC, it's going to be a manslaughter that looks weird, but he's there, President.
Elected in Marcha-
Famous legend Don Kim and President
The Elect has accepted more questions he has accepted since winning the election.
Catherine Lampert, a Washington Post columnist, is now joining me.
This seems to be a typical performance of Trump.
There are not many answers.
Catherine Lampert, Washington Post columnist: a lot of deviations.
Hayes: There's a lot of deflection.
What puzzles me is this kind of back and forth on Sprint today.
So the president-
Basically I talked to Sprint and they brought back 5,000 jobs, says Elect.
That's part of what we 've agreed to and arranged, Sprint said.
He seems to be back at this point.
It shows you how slippery the president is. elect`s claims.
RAMPELL: Yes, I mean, his statement should be taken seriously, but it should not be taken literally or any jour expression. HAYES: Right.
RAMPELL: because it's hard to understand them literally, because they're going to contradict each other in every turn, which makes it very challenging.
In the case of a round-trip sprint, they have announced, or their parent company has announced the creation of 50,000 jobs in the United States. S.
A few weeks ago. HAYES: Right.
Lamel: Actually, after the election.
But before that, their boss announced that they would invest 50-Hayes: A billion dollars, that's right.
RAMPELL: Yes, there are billions of dollars in the United States.
Hayes: That's right.
Lamper: And-Hayes: so their boss is the Massa bank outside of Japan.
They announced a huge investment in the United States. S.
Before the election of the campaign season. RAMPELL: Right.
Even then, it is likely that many will go to the United States. HAYES: Right.
RAMPELL: Other than that, I mean, people are wondering what sprints Trump might say, you know, they're thinking about merging now. HAYES: Right.
So we don't know what the trade-offs are.
In any case, we don't know if this will happen.
I mean, I think the best thing they can hope for from a Sprint perspective is that Trump thinks they're doing it just because he said something convincing.
Hayes: Yeah, I guess, you know, you see, it's funny, they didn't -- you know, they didn't let him have a press conference, a real press conference.
This is not a real press conference.
Call it availability.
But he answered many questions.
Since July 27, the day after RNC, they have no more, and on the day of his last press conference, he looks at the camera, told foreign governments to spy on his political opponents when he told Russia.
Cyber espionage.
Hayes: he asked him to spy on the black Clinton network. ph)e-
He later said it was a joke. he was sarcastic.
But they kept him away from it, and we haven't seen this classic Trump go in the wrong direction for a while.
But, as we have seen in the campaign, I think what we can expect in government.
I mean, why bother answering any questions?
No one really locked him up.
His voters don't seem to care.
He can change his position on any particular issue and he is forgiven.
So, I mean, why bother if he doesn't need to be basically involved in the democratic process?
Hayes: We should note that someone was getting tactical benefits while away from the press conference, especially at the start of the campaign.
I think his handlers and his staff recognize that he tends to do things at press conferences like calling on Russians to crack their opponent's emails . . . . . . But he is also unstable in other ways.
I mean, they didn't keep him away from Twitter.
So, I don't know if it really succeeded or failed in the election.
Hayes: as a reporter, I have to say that it is good to be able to ask questions, and even if you don't get an answer, there will be some back and forth answers, instead of everyone waiting, until the next tweet, then run the answers and then.
Obviously.
Obviously, but my point is that I'm not sure if his erratic behavior will necessarily be suppressed because he didn't hold these press conferences, so it might be helpful for his campaign,
At least you can argue that, yes, it's not good for democracy, and there's no media to put his feet by the fire.
Hayes: We'll talk a little more about it. he said his business conflict is not a big deal.
According to most of the experts I have spoken to about it, this does not seem to be the case.
In fact, this is quite a big thing, it is actually difficult to peel off, it is actually quite complicated.
So, I think this will continue to bother him before giving some specific details.
Thank you, Catherine Lamper, for your time. Appreciate it.
RAMPELL: Thank you.
Hayes: Well, next, there's an unknown area of the president --
Elect expressed his personal discontent on social media.
I'm going to talk to a historian about who might be the closest comparison in the history of a future president. (
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He called me. He called me.
We have a very, very good talk about general things.
He's in Hawaii.
This is a very, very good phone call.
I think we cover a lot of areas, a lot of good areas.
Unidentified female: Are you satisfied with the transition so far?
Well, our staff get along very well.
In addition to a few words I responded to, I got along well with him.
We talk about it and smile about it.
No one will know because we will never fight each other in this way. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: That's a question that Donald Trump answered a while ago, and he tweeted this morning to the current president of the United States to do his best to ignore many inflammatory presidential statements and roadblocks.
I think it will be a smooth transition, not.
This is Donald Trump's first real grievance with President Obama, but look at Twitter feed to tell you his attitude towards people who criticize him in any way.
After the president of United Steel Workers said Trump exaggerated the number of jobs in Indiana, Chuck Jones said on Twitter that he did a terrible job on behalf of the workers.
No wonder the company fled the country.
After Alec Baldwin teased Trujp for a live tweet this Saturday evening, Trump responded that he was dismissive of the same show he hosted a few months ago.
The live broadcast on Saturday night is not worth watching.
Totally biased. Not funny.
Trump's biographer appears to have explained the behavior in a New York Times reporter, who was rejected by his parents at the age of 13 and became an abyss of demand.
This is not the first time we have been elected president for this particular sentiment.
There was no such thing as Twitter at the time, and the type writers were used to draft revenge notes on how to treat journalists, which proved my theory that, in the long run, it was a more productive policy to belittle them more.
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Richard Nixon, 37 president of the United States: Don't you think he's just a bitch?
He's been a son of a bitch.
He's a jerk.
He certainly has some bad comments about the report.
I don't know if this helps.
He is very sensitive to this.
Have you arranged it?
Man: Yes, sir.
Nixon: I hit him hard. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: A defining feature of Richard Nixon's presidency is his distrust of the media, even contempt, and his attempts to distance himself from journalists.
It was through this carefully constructed effort to shape the public image that eventually led to Nixon's loss of public support and resignation, writer Rick pilstin recorded some amazing work in his book, Nissan Land.
Now with me is Rick Perlstein.
Rick, I want to talk to you today because I-you know, one of the things that goes through this incredible book is how important Nixon's personality and leadership style is, political style is grievance, stingy, revenge, people don't take him seriously, he will show them a chip on his shoulder.
How much did you see-how many Nixon did you see in Trump?
Rick perlstein, author: on this fundamental core issue, the kind of abyss that needs to be, the lack that the soul that must be filled with domination and control should exist, is definitely a Nixonian
But, you know, I really hope Trump can raise it to 11.
The difference is that Nixon is savvy, strategic, and cautious, so you know he won't tweet.
He would say, let's take the radio license of the Washington Post on which their income depends, and when Trump is given power to the presidential office, he may do so soon.
Hayes: There are two things to follow up. The Nixon was.
I mean, what impressed me here is not just the need to always retaliate against those who he felt belittled by Donald Trump, but also the openness.
I mean, Nixon wouldn't go up to the podium and say, I don't like this guy, this guy and Dan. He was self-
Good enough control.
This is different in terms of public places.
Perstein: but this is
Chris Trump, January 20
I mean, think about it.
You know, the NSA whistleblower William Beni basically calls it the Bush-made spy agency, but the one-made spy agency that Obama created continues.
So, basically, once Trump can find out what his enemies are doing and find out where their weaknesses are, maybe find out what they are embarrassed about and leak them to Breitbart God bless, MSNBC, then we talk about a different game here.
Hayes: So, I mean, you see, this is the offense that Nixon can really impeach.
He has done a lot of things.
But one of the things he apparently did was he had the group break into the water gate incident and did a lot of other things against the enemies they discussed.
You know, I believe Daniel Ellsberg, they tried to break into the therapist's office.
Oh, they made it.
Hayes: they made it. Yes, it's a crazy thing.
I mean, what is your strong feeling about the civil service in resisting Nixon's attempt to use it as a tool for pursuing vendettas.
PERLSTEIN: Well, I think the civil service, you know, has a strong protection that drives him crazy too.
I mean, the most famous is the Bureau of Labor Statistics-I mean, what happens when they start to say the unemployment rate is 9%.
You know, Trump can't accept this kind of letting go, and of course Richard Nixon doesn't.
He ordered one of his aides, Fred Malik, to continue to participate in Republican and conservative activities, counting the number of Jews at the Bureau of Labor Statistics, so he basically knows who to cut off at his knee.
He knew that the IRA was a very powerful tool, so he basically ordered the IRS to create an operation in the basement of a locked room, committed to eliminating the tax exemption against corruption.
Groups of war and freedom.
This is the list of enemies.
Hayes: this is a key point when you merge it with the country's tools.
I forgot that the famous example of Malik is about the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Thank you, Rick Perlstein. Appreciate it.
Thank you, Chris. cheers.
Hayes: Still from widespread voter fraud and internet conspiracy theories known as Pizza --
Gate, about the shocking new vote Americans think is true.
You don't want to miss it.
Also, the first thing tonight, the second thing starts right after the break. Stick around. (
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Hayes: first thing tonight, Republican Governor Sam Brownback from Kansas has some advice for the President
Elect told the Wall Street Journal that Trump should copy his Kansas tax plan.
Brown Buck's signature idea eliminated 4.
6% national personal income tax for partnerships, limited liability companies and similar enterprises.
Now, Brown Buck passed a big tax cut on income tax in 2012, which he called an experiment in real life. (
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Kansas: but in terms of taxes, you need to lower the overall interest rate, and in my opinion you need to get rid of social manipulation and create growth.
We will see how it works.
We're going to do a real live experiment.
We're right next to some other states that don't have tax cuts.
You will have the opportunity to see the impact of this on a particular experimental area, and I think Kansas will do a good job. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Hayes: OK, that's the benchmark.
It has been three years since Brown Buck's plan came into effect.
The governor now advises Trump to adopt the same economic model for the country and accept the governor's proposal, assuming that the experiment is great for Kansas, it seems logical, right.
We will see the result of the second thing in 60 seconds. (
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Hayes: Kansas Republican Governor Sam Brownback is very proud of his tax plan and he has publicly advised Donald Trump to adopt the plan for the country, but as economists have reported over the years, the economic outlook seems to be deteriorating sharply in Kansas.
Massive tax cuts have created huge holes in the national budget, and the $0. 35 billion deficit is now expected to increase.
The state's credit rating has been downgraded twice, and after the cuts in higher education, he used $2 billion in highway funding to cover budget loopholes.
At the same time, tax cuts did not work --
Starting the economy of Chinese characters as a whole.
This year's growth is expected to be flat compared to 2% of the country's GDP growth.
Today, we got another economic indicator in the region, and bronback claimed in 2012 that you could measure his experiment with neighboring Kansas, it did not implement the same type of big income tax cuts as it did in the state of NEAs.
Bloomberg's Justin Fox, who has been tracking job growth between Kansas and neb, today discovered that the gap has only widened this year.
Kansas is the blue line that has stalled for two years, and the state of NEB is withdrawing.
So why would Donald Trump listen to advice from a governor? The governor's policies caused a huge budget deficit, a credit downgrade, a slowdown in economic growth, and recruitment.
One possible selling point is that the plan could be good for people like Donald Trump.
As The Washington Post reported earlier this year, Kansas, according to an analysis by the Institute of tax and economic policy, the poorest 20% of households now pay an average of about $200 in national taxes, the richest 1% of households saved an average of $25,000. (
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Hayes: one of the many fake news circulating during the campaign.
Stories like Denzel Washington support Donald Trump, but it doesn't happen, or the infamous pizza --
Gate conspiracy theory eventually led to the entry of a creditable fake news consumer into a family restaurant in Washington. C.
Hold AR-15 rifle.
This is a disturbing trend that continues even after the election.
A new survey from The Economist and YouGov reveals exactly how deep the problem is.
According to their posts
Election survey, 49%, almost half of the self
Identifying Republicans, believing that the undertones that included pedophile, human trafficking and satanic ritual abuse in the emails leaked by some of the Clinton campaign's employees were certainly true or likely true.
This is the basis of the above pizza-Door conspiracy
Similarly, in terms of health insurance, only one of the four Republicans believes that the number of people who did not have health insurance during the Obama administration has dropped, which is obviously the right thing to do, it is also one of the landmark achievements of this government.
52% of Republicans believe that in 2016 of the elections, millions of illegal votes were cast, and Trump shamelessly promoted his conspiracy theories on Twitter after winning the election.
This is important, not just Republicans.
The same survey found that more than half
Certain Democrats believe there is no evidence that Russia has even tampered with actual voting records in order to get Trump elected.
Now, voters based on partisan misinformation, from the 9/11 Truth in Iraq to weapons of mass destruction, to the plot of Obama's birthplace, over the past few years, there are a lot of examples of myths filled with some voters.
But what seems new and disturbing is that these lies seem to be increasing in frequency and scope, in part because of the increasing vulcanization and polarization of our lives and consumer information.
Given the current president-
Elect has developed a habit that is clearly untrue. How will the popularity of this wrong message affect the way the Trump administration implements the agenda?
Jason Johnson, political editor of roots, professor of politics and communication at Morgan State University, is with me now.
Josh Barro, senior editor of Business Insider and MSNBC contributor.
Jason, let's get started, I think.
I don't think it's new, do I?
I mean, we all have confirmed biases in ideology.
Jason Johnson, Morgan State University: Yes.
Hayes: we all share information selectively.
So, what new ideas do you have here?
Johnson: Well, this is the new one, Chris.
Look, we have a conspiracy all the time, right.
Some people think we are not on the moon.
There are a lot of polls showing that people do believe in X-
We have hidden aliens.
But its source is a mixture of cynicism about the government and the fact that people don't get information from the same place.
When you have the president
Elected Donald Trump, who basically says that the government is full of cheaters and fools, you can't believe anything they say, someone believes that they are willing to believe that the government will do anything, and therefore, the crazy story about pedophile or Denzel Washington actually supports Donald Trump as something that people will believe because they think the whole system is corrupt.
Hayes: there are some basic levels, not even the basic policy details, right?
So, if you look at health insurance.
I mean, this is the basic goal of the ACA, and if it does one thing, more people get insurance.
You know, 40% of Republicans think there's an increase in people who don't have insurance, but 24% of Democrats think there's an increase in people who don't, and 26% think there's an increase in people who don't.
So to some extent, the basic facts of this matter have not penetrated into anyone.
Josh barro, a MSNBC contributor: Yes, although I think they may be better known than some of the surveys show.
A political scientist named John bollock did a very interesting study. ph)
At the University of Texas, they did such a survey, one of them was just a regular survey, they did another survey and they said if you answered the question correctly, we will enter your drawings with a $200 Amazon gift card.
Of course, when you do this, the answer will become more accurate and the party gap in the answer will fall.
Right now, it's not getting perfect and there's still a lot of misinformation, but I think it's a response to the expression that basically someone is voting.
They really don't like Barack Obama. they think the negative answer is about Barack Obama.
Hayes: So the question between an expressive response and an actual belief, right? JOHNSON: Right.
Hayes: I agree.
Like, there's something-but Jason, then I'm back there, right.
You know, like Obama was born in Kenya?
You have 52% of Republicans saying it must be true.
I think Josh is right, like in a way, I don't like the answer from Barack Obama, but I 've also talked to a lot of people and I 've interviewed a lot of people, they really think the man was born in Kenya.
This is a fact, which is absolutely what they believe.
The man closest to this absurd theory will become the next president of the United States. JOHNSON: Yes.
This is the crazy thing.
Chris, I always say that about birds.
It's like Scooby.
Obama deceived everyone's logic, except for these brave children and their dogs who found him from Kenya.
There is no point in this.
But so is the conspiracy, and over time people will believe in them and believe in this nonsense, because we have seen that the conspiracy was once true, right.
You and I will remember what we thought when we were young. S.
It seems crazy that the government is involved in drug activities in the city center, and then we have Iran/counter, and then we find that they are actually involved in drug activities, so one day people will do that.
Hayes: Yes, there is a tendency of mass skepticism.
Jason Johnson, Josh Barrow, thank you for joining me.
What I'm saying is
Goodbye, because we have breaking news now.
NBC News confirmed that actress Debbie Reynolds died the day after her daughter Kylie Fisher died at the age of 84.
Now I'm joined by NBC's Gadi Schwartz.
What did you learn, Gaudi?
Nbc news gadi schwartz: Well, we were hospitalized after hearing that she might have reported symptoms of shortness of breath.
We now know she died in the hospital.
Her son confirmed this to NBC News.
Now, Debbie Reynolds is clearly one of the most popular actresses of her time, Kylie Fisher's mother, who has been mourning since Kylie Fisher was hospitalized and subsequently died.
Now, the mother and daughter seem to have died just a few days after the holiday, and it is very heartbreaking in Hollywood.
A lot of people come forward, a lot of people express their condolences, but this is the latest situation we have now.
She was hospitalized for shortness of breath and we know she's dead now.
Hayes: Thank you, Gedi.
Of course, Debbie Reynolds married Eddie Fisher, who owns Kelly Fisher with Eddie Fisher.
In fact, Carrie Fisher is on the front page of Los Angeles. A.
Even before she was born, just as she was basically pregnant, she was on the front page at the bottom.
Debbie, Eddie is looking forward to the baby in November.
Debbie Reynolds starred in a number of films, and her marriage was a form of the time, and Eddie Fisher left her to Elizabeth Taylor, which, of course, was a big scandal at the time.
The incredible relationship between Debbie Reynolds and Kylie Fisher, which Kylie Fisher just talked about in a Fresh Air interview broadcast recently, is a complaint about the edge postcard, the relationship between Carrie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds is full of love and dedication, this is reflected in Kylie Fisher's amazing work in her writing, interviews, and the work she will publish over the years.
An incredible heartbreaking event at the end of this year.
Just a few days ago, Carly Fisher died at the age of 60, and now we have the news that her mother Debbie Reynolds, a friend of her life, in the most profound way, parents and children can be friends and die a few days later, which is confirmed at this time.
Breaking news from NBC News
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